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Old 05-30-2006, 01:17 PM
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How would you know from looking at that Quran verse? You would need to read the Talmud wouldn't you?
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Anyway, the material was taken out of context. It is not a Quranic teaching, but a Quranic reference to Jewish teaching.
How so? It says 'for the Children of Israel', not 'from the children of Israel'.

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It is evident that you have extensive knowledge of the Qu'ran, or at least have access to a good source of quotes. Which further proves that you do hold some form of grudge against Islam.
Yeah, that definitely "proves" that I have a grudge against Islam.
And you criticised me for (unknowingly) taking a quote out of context...

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I haven't ignored the verse you quoted. As I said, there is a progression in what the Quran teaches.
Don't you mean verses?

There is no progression in the Qu'ran in regard to warfare, it contradicts itself several times as shown by the quantity of quotes you and I have provided.
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Myth #8 Islam is a Tolerant Religion
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The actions of Islamic leaders in the Middle Ages has no more relevance to Islam today than the actions of the Catholic church has on modern Catholicism. That post was entirely irrelevant to the point you were making (in fact this entire discussion is, since the thread is about the BNP).
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How would you know from looking at that Quran verse? You would need to read the Talmud wouldn't you?
Why?
Why would you need to read the Talmud to understand a Jewish teaching that comes from the Talmud? Rather than some Quran verse than mentions it? Can you not work this out for yourself?
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Anyway, the material was taken out of context. It is not a Quranic teaching, but a Quranic reference to Jewish teaching.
How so? It says 'for the Children of Israel', not 'from the children of Israel'.
Without the first part of the verse, it is being used out of context because it comes across as Quranic teaching. That isn't the case. This isn't something that the Quran teaches, but merely a Jewish teaching that the Quran happens to mention.
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Where the teaching is included is irrelevant, all that is necessary to understand it is the teaching itself.

But how would you have the "teaching itself" unless you go to the source?
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Like the creation story is not a Christian teaching but merely a Jewish teaching that the Bible mentions?
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But how would you have the "teaching itself" unless you go to the source?
Because the teaching is included in more than one source.
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But how would you have the "teaching itself" unless you go to the source?
Because the teaching is included in more than one source.
But a source that merely happens to mention it, may not be concerned to provide all the detail.
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There is no progression in the Qu'ran in regard to warfare, it contradicts itself
Well you can understand the Quran that way if you want to. I am interested in how Muslims have understood the Quran. And in the religion of Islam there is a progression in what the Quran teaches, with the final stage being offensive war.
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