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Old 05-09-2004, 03:16 AM
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hrisFirst all thanks to jonblankfield for the last comment,now let me reply to chris,human rights cuts both ways ,what about the human rights of the indeginous population who are alarmed at the numbers of people coming in to their country.
No one speaks for them except us,like I said rights are a two way street.
No problem. There aren't huge numbers of people coming into the country. What was it....80,000 a year I think the figure is - that's nothing in a country with a population of 65 million. Absolutely minute. Of course there are examples of political correctness taken too far and yes there are a number of people who take the whole pc thing too far, but one price you have to pay for living in a Western well-developed country is that there will be people worse off than you who will seek the better life. Most of us would do the same if in the same circumstances. Life is unfair to immigrants too - that's the way it is. Instead of looking at it from a right-wing perspective, think how you'd feel in the same situation.

Immigrants and ethnic minorities deserve to be treated with respect - as do all human beings. People should stop and think before they say... 'Ooo bloody immigrants coming here to steal our jobs.' They are people trying to attain a decent standard of living, as we all are. The UK needs them and they need us - there are mutual benefits. Aside from the politics of it all, the BNP line towards nearly everything is filled with huge problems and points that they choose to ignore.
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Old 05-09-2004, 01:56 PM
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Ok jon,Iwould dispute your figures 80,000 is more like 300,000,first of all are you including only asylum seekers in your figure,and even if you are the home office class one family as aon application when this could include all the family.
Secondly this figire you give does not I beleive include the people who are granted work permits ,simply to reduce the asylum figires,which is approx 100,000 per year.
These people are asylum claimints is every thing bit name,we even have the situation where the home office has admited to fast tracking immigrants from eastern europe in order to reduce the figures.
This goverment and succesive goverments have pulled the wool over the peoples eyes when it comes to immigration,inthe hope that it will just be accepted as the norm.
But we in the BNP will tell the people what the score really is as far as immigration is concerned.
I firmly beleive their is a conspiricy to destoy our culture and way of life under a wave of immigration,what I can't fathom out is why?
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I firmly beleive their is a conspiricy to destoy our culture and way of life under a wave of immigration,what I can't fathom out is why?
Exactly - why? There is no motivation for politicians and civil servants to destroy our culture. Establishing the motive abd the reasons why would be imperative in establishing a conspiracy. Of course the least small bit of evidence to back up your beliefs would help.

I think this sentence sums up Billy and the rest of the BNP. Imagines conspiracy theories about foreign immigrants destroying our culture. Being part of a family of Irish immigrants in Scotland I have heard all of this before. We were supposedly going to establish rule direct from Rome and bring the countriy to it's knes with our 'foreign ways'.

The right in this country are quite happy to display the St Georges Cross, the three lions and align themselves with Richard the Lionheart. All of these are symbols of when Britain was conquered by France and a foreign culture prevailed. Why is this an acceptable part of British History when a few undred thousand people coming here looking for a better way of life is not.

Besides, the vast majority of people immigrating into Britain are white and from countries with similar beliefs to us, how would that destroy our culture?
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Old 05-10-2004, 08:53 AM
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Whatever the figures (which can be manipulated by anyone, be it Blunkett or the BNP) Billy (300,000 is still tiny) only 8% of the UK is even ethnic let alone a recent generation immigrant.

By the way am I correct in assuming that you are anti-emmigration as well as immigration?

Could you put down all your views that make you affiliate yourself with the BNP and all the evidence for them? This way I could address each point at the same time and be objective about it - I feel that would be more productive.
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Old 05-28-2004, 11:51 AM
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Ok, Jon I would put you in the direction of migration watch which will give you the correct figures with regard to the numbers.
Secondly I have numerous reasons for joining the BNP which would take an age to go into,suffice to say it is a decision which I have never regreted,in fact the lomger I am involved in the party the more I wish I had joined a lot earlier.
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I'm sorry but I cannot condone or agree with anything the BNP says or does. The election broadcasts are patently racist in suggestion if not blatent fashion. The BNP is full of nothing but Xenophobes and you and I will just have to disagree on that.

Blaming the faults of this country should not be directed at those of an ethnic or immigrant descent but at the 18 years or Tory underinvestment in public services and that is a fact. Blaming the state of this country on immigrants is what the BNP does. It is a breakaway of the National Front, a neo-nazi organisation and is a knee-jerk reaction by people who do not take time to think and evaluate all sides before they form their opinions.
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In the way that it brings our democratic problems to light, but I'd rather they didn't exist. Racists, plain and simple.
Bullies, plain and simple.
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Ever visit their website? I advise that you do, they have a thing called policy forum which had me and my mates in stitches for a whole weekend. It was the funniest thing.
A hilarious website in places. It had me in had me in stitches at times too.
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I'm not saying for one minute Billy, that I agree with illegal immigration - I don't and the Government looks to be putting in new measures to try and cut down on this. However, I am pro-immigration, because I think we need the workers and it will help this country among many other reasons. You sound scared of foreigners, is there any reason for that?

On illegal immigration once again however, if people want something bad enough you're not going to be able to stop them. The courts are there to protect human rights. I'd rather they were too protective of people's rights than too harsh on people's rights. Nothing is ever going to be perfect and BNP solutions are even further from it.

Linked with this, what are your views on the EU? Are you a UKIPist?
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On illegal immigration once again however, if people want something bad enough you're not going to be able to stop them.
Australia has. IMHO Australia has the right policy on immigration. It allows people in only if they prove they can contribute to the country. Simply allowing lots of low-skilled immgrants to enter the country to keep wages down, to compete for low skilled jobs, and for them to be offered taxpayer's money and to form in ghettoes will generate resentment in the indigenous population whether you like it or not, providing fertile soil for the scum that is the BNP. I'm not on the far-right but I am deeply resentful at the way my family has been treated, forced to pay privately for life-saving health care, when immigrants who have contributed nothing to this country are given reasonably generous benefits. Immigration will be a big issue in the impending elections and I fear that the BNP will reap the benefits of this.
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