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The image of the typical Muslim woman wearing the veil and forced to stay home and forbidden to drive is all too common in most peoples thoughts.

The status of women in Islam is often the target of attacks in the media. The ‘hijab’ or the Islamic dress is cited by many as an example of the ‘subjugation’ of women under Islamic law. Before mentioning the reasoning behind the religiously mandated ‘hijab’ (the Muslim woman’s code of dress), let us first study the status of women in societies before the advent of Islam. In the past women were degraded and generally used as objects of lust.

The following are examples from history which amply illustrate the fact that the status of women in earlier civilizations was very low to the extent that they were denied basic human dignity:

A. Babylonian Civilization:
Women were degraded and denied all rights under the Babylonian law. If a man murdered a woman, instead of him being punished, his wife was put to death.

B. Greek Civilization:
Greek Civilization is considered the most glorious of all ancient civilizations. Under this very ‘glorious’ system, women were deprived of all rights and were looked down upon. In Greek mythology, an ‘imaginary woman’ called ‘Pandora’ is the root cause of misfortune of human beings. The Greeks considered women to be subhuman and inferior to men. Prostitution became a regular practice amongst all classes of Greek society.

C. Roman Civilization:
When Roman Civilization was at the zenith of its ‘glory’, a man even had the right to take the life of his wife. A Prostitution and nudity were common practice amongst the Romans.

D. Egyptian Civilization:
The Egyptians considered women to be evil and a sign of a devil.

E. Pre-Islamic Arabia:
Before Islam spread in Arabia, the Arabs looked down upon women and very often when a female child was born, she was buried alive.

When Islam came, it uplifted women and gave them equality and expected them to maintain their status. Islam raised the status of women and granted them their just rights 1400 years ago.

Too often the image of a covered woman is used to represent what much of the world views as oppression. Her very existence is described in terms that convey ignorance and unhappiness. Words like, beaten, repressed and oppressed are bandied about by some media in a desperate attempt to convince the readers that women in Islam have no rights. Descriptive and intrinsically oppressive terms such as shrouded and shackled are used to portray an image of women who have no minds and who are the slaves or possessions of their husbands and fathers. This is a misconception of the real image of women in Islam.

In Islam, a woman has the basic freedom of choice and expression based on recognition of her individual personality. A Muslim woman chooses her husband and keeps her name after marriage. A Muslim woman's testimony is valid in legal disputes. In fact, in areas in which women are more familiar, their evidence is considered to be conclusive.

In Islam women are encouraged in Islam to contribute their opinions and ideas. There are many traditions of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him/PBUH) which illustrate how women would pose questions directly to him and offer their opinions concerning religion, economics and social matters.

The reason why ‘Hijab’ is prescribed for women is mentioned in the Qur’an in the following verses of Surah (chapter) Al-Ahzab:


"O Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters, and the believing women to bring down over themselves (part) of their outer garments. That is most convenient that they should be known (as chaste, believing women) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." [Al-Qur’an 33:59]



The Qur’an says that ‘Hijab’ has been prescribed for women so that they are recognized as being modest women and this will also prevent them from being molested.



Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street. One of them is attired in the Islamic ‘hijab’, i.e. the complete body is covered, except for the face and the hands up to the wrists. The other sister is wearing western clothes, a mini skirt or shorts. Just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. Whom will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijab or the girl wearing the skirt or the mini? Naturally, he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini. Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Qur’an rightly says that hijab prevents women from being molested.

Under the Islamic ‘shariah’ (law), a man convicted of having raped a woman, is given capital punishment. Many are astonished at this ‘harsh’ sentence. Some even say that Islam is a ruthless, barbaric religion! I have asked a simple question to hundreds of non-Muslim men. Suppose, God forbid, someone rapes your wife, your mother or your sister. You are made the judge and the rapist is brought in front of you. What punishment would you give him? All of them said they would put him to death. Some went to the extent of saying they would torture him to death. To them I ask, if someone rapes your wife or your mother you want to put him to death. But if the same crime is committed on somebody else’s wife or daughter you say capital punishment is barbaric. Why should there be double standards?

Western society falsely claims to have uplifted women

In western countries where liberation encompasses unlimited freedom, women are actually finding themselves living lives that are unsatisfying and meaningless. In their quest for liberation they have abandoned the ideals of morality and stability and found themselves in marriages and families that bear little resemblance to "real life". What is liberating about working all day and coming home at night to the housework. What is liberating about having babies who, at six weeks old, can be deposited in child care centers to learn their behavior and morality from strangers.

Western talk of women’s liberation is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honor. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary, it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketers.



In conclusion, The Muslim woman was given a role, duties and rights 1400 years ago that most women do not enjoy today, even in the West. These are from God and are designed to keep balance in society; what may seem unjust or missing in one place is compensated for or explained in another place.
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I don't speak for everybody who finds fault with treatment of women under Islam, but I believe the main concern rises from legal inequalities that exist between genders, whereas in western culture, inequalities exist only on a societal level. Society is fluid and flighty, and we hope that perfect equality exists in the future, whereas legislature is only changed consciously.

Also, about the capitol punishment for rape, quite apart from that being to great a punishment for the crime. There is a good reason that victims and relatives of victims do not have legal authority during the prosecution of their wrong-doers. They will always demand greater punishment than is just, and it is not a double standard, but emotion that causes this.

Secondly, capitol punishment is completely irreversible, whereas a prison sentance can be terminated at any time. If more evidence surfaces after the convicted criminal is killed, showing the criminal to be innocent, then that "criminal" was put to death wrongfully. If this happens to someone in a prison, they can be released and live out the rest of their days no worse for the mistake.
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Secondly, capitol punishment is completely irreversible, whereas a prison sentance can be terminated at any time. If more evidence surfaces after the convicted criminal is killed, showing the criminal to be innocent, then that "criminal" was put to death wrongfully. If this happens to someone in a prison, they can be released and live out the rest of their days no worse for the mistake.
a woman will never lie about this issue and islam gives her more rights when compared to west a good example is of saudi arab and middle east in general where once in 5 years a rape takes place compared to america where a women is raped every 5 minutes
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Pakistan, however, with some very harsh laws, has had a terrible rape epidemic.
Mere deterrent is not enough to rid the world of rape and the complications of rape make punishing it a challenge to the fairness and rule of law that Western democracies stand for.
Rape is a behavior based on a culture of misogyny and that creates control-freaks. It should be dying, but it is near impossible for the police to deal with those that do it and most of the time women do not even report it.
There is no obvious solution other than to attempt to destroy what remains of a culture that considers women subservient and that drives men to desperately seek control over them. And I'm not even sure we know where to begin.
The reason Islamic countries in general have done well is due to near universal acceptance that rape is a dishonorable act, looked down upon by God even if not seen by Man. But as Pakistan shows, even the religion itself is not sufficient to bring an end to a culture that allows rape.
Rape, much like domestic abuse, permeates in America not because of our laws but because too many of us turn a blind eye and deny that it happens.
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pakistan does not have islamic laws like saudi arab
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Rape, much like domestic abuse, permeates in America not because of our laws but because too many of us turn a blind eye and deny that it happens.
impose the islamic punishment for the rapists and see the number come down and eventually vanish
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The problem with rape isn't the punishment, but the prosecution. Rape is punished with many years, even life, in prison, which for Americans is a big deterrent.
The trouble with prosecution is:
1) It is hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt in court. And to lessen the criteria would undermine our whole justice system and lead to the potential for innocent men to be imprisoned.
2) Women tend not to go to the police out of a sense of guilt and fear that they will not be believed. Sometimes they shower before going to the police and inadvertantly remove the evidence. These things have a cultural cause.
3) Rape usually occurs without witnesses and much like domestic abuse, when it happens and the perpetrator is someone we know, we deny it and block it out.
The only way to stop rape without the potential for more injustice is to turn society to a stronger stance against it and to encourage men to condemn rapists publicly and women to not feel guilty when they are raped.
And as much as it sucks to have to say it since women are not responsible for being raped, it would help if women were educated on how to avoid rape and given some training on self defense.
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rape is a one of the biggest crime in islam and is strictly forbidden that is why a rapist has to be stoned till death in islam
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The hijab doesn't magically prevent all wearers of it from being molested. Give me a break. And the only reason you can sit there and say that rape only occurs in Saudi Arabia once every five years is because the number of women who report rape in Saudi Arabia is extremely low.

And a woman should be allowed to walk down the street, any street, NAKED without being inappropriately touched by anyone. If a man rapes a woman, it's his fault, period. He's the one with the inability to control himself. End of story.
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