Thread: date rape is a fake crime....

Originally Posted by Oddquine

I'm not angry.....I am exasperated at the inability you seem to have to read what has been written without passing it first through the filter of your on imagination/biases.

The point I have been making all along is that in your first instance the law ALSO says that if a female wakes up in the morning and realises she has made a complete arse of herself, she can and too often will, cry rape.

Well, that's totally wrong!

What proof do you have?

There are many sick and twisted females in this world.....and many men on the sex offenders register who should not be there and have had their lives blighted by women who are no longer obliged to take responsibility for their own actions!

Nonsense. Let's see some proof.

Your last point is quite correct, and I have never denied that if the person is intoxicated to the point they cannot agree to have sex, then it would be rape.

However, even here, we have a situation where it is the woman who has the last word as to how intoxicated too intoxicated is..and there are times when too intoxicated does not mean incapable of giving consent at all...........but incapable of stopping yourself choosing to do something you'd never have done if you were sober.

You're the only one claiming it does! What is your problem, exactly?

I don't understand why any man would want sex with a drunken woman (it can't be for pleasure), unless of course, he is also drunk.

Originally Posted by diligent

I don't understand why any man would want sex with a drunken woman (it can't be for pleasure), unless of course, he is also drunk.

Keep in mind that if she's drunk she's not responsible for decisions she makes. If he's drunk he is totally responsible for any decisions he makes.

Originally Posted by diligent

I don't understand why any man would want sex with a drunken woman (it can't be for pleasure), unless of course, he is also drunk.

Lets be honest here..there are men who'd get their rocks off using a knot hole in a block of wood if the knot hole was there and they were feeling that way inclined. Why would a comatose woman be any different to a block of wood if she was available. Men don't much do pleasure, I have found..at least not for their partner, they are more inclined to do relief for themselves.

But what hacks me off immeasurably is the feminist conviction that women don't lie and are whiter than the driven snow. What hacks me off is the feminist assumption that if a woman says it is so it bloody well is so. I have read forums where they actually say that just because a man has been found not guilty does not mean he is not a rapist! Jesus wept...is that man hating or is that man hating?

What puzzles me is the fact that the feminist movement insists that men are convicted on no evidence, by having their names all over the media ahead of any trial, any evidence and any verdict, because we all know mud sticks....while the women in question have complete legal anonymity. Is that not simply being vindictive? Why are women so against the men accused having the same anonymity as the women accusing them until an accusation has been proven? I can't see any problem with that.........can anybody else? Tbh, I'd prefer that the media were kept out of everything in every court case until after a trial and decision.

I'm not saying that no men are rapists..and I'm not saying that all women are liars, but the system should be set up to protect the women who are not liars and the men who are not rapists.....not specifically slanted to protect the women who are liars and penalise the men who are not.

In 2008 in the UK, according to Home Office research, between 3% and 9% of all reports of rape are found to be false. Yet the lives of those men accused are often devastated. Some even commit suicide, so terrible is the stigma of being charged with sexual assault - even if subsequently cleared. But that is just fine with the feminists, it appears, as long as woman can lie with impunity.

I was a feminist once...but think they are now taking the p1ss to a level which is little short of ridiculous..just because the UK Government has made it easy for them to do so.

http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/te...4229-25828156/

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/m...g-6585803.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...nt-prosecution

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...led-years.html

http://www.insidetime.org/articlevie...historic_cases

That last may be, and undoubtedly will, be perceived by those of a feminist mindset to be self-serving on behalf of rapists...."the guilty would say that wouldn't they" mindset...but have a look at a case from the USA, which, because of the US rape shield law has refused an accused man any defence at all..
http://anatomyofawrongfulconviction.blogspot.co.uk/ http://www.freedonmiller.org/

Ignoring the blatant injustices, self-interested bias and utter incompetence on the part of the police, prosecutor, defence lawyer and judge, if you can prove the female accuser is a fantasist and liar, has made the same accusations against others in the past for the same reasons and has proven psychiatric problems...but are not allowed to do that because that is "blaming the female for what happened to her" and all testimony regarding the accusers past long-term behaviour is forbidden completely...where is the justice? To me, a pattern of behaviour is a different scenario altogether to a one off accusation of rape. I don't think that the fact that, in the past, a female has been promiscuous is anything a defence lawyer should be able to bring up in court to muddy the waters and insinuate she asked for it...because that is something outside the rape charge and not relevant to it...but if she had made a habit of calling rape on a number of occasions, particularly if the cases had subsequently not been proven....I think that does have relevance to a defence.

That case was in 1997, although fourteen years on Don Miller is still in jail because he refuses to show remorse to the parole board for something he didn't do....and, with our propensity for slavishly following today what the USA did yesterday.....we are now there as well..convicting on the uncorroborated word of a woman.....because women are a special case who don't lie. Sheesh!

In the UK today, I am embarrassed to be a woman. I cringe at the idea that I am too pathetic to take responsibility for my actions. I don't think I should have any more rights than any other group in the UK......I have equality under the law, and I'm not too feart to use the law to get the equality I am due. I don't think I am superior to any other individual in the UK, and I don't see why, because I have a vagina, and not a penis, that that automatically makes me the most truthful person in the country and allows me to act like the biggest arsehole male in the universe just to prove I am equal to him. Why would anyone with any self respect want to go out and get blitzed just because men can and we are equal...or fight like animals in the street just because men do and we are equal

I always believed we were better than men....not more equal, but better, with different attitudes, morals and a lot less selfishness and arrogance...not controlled by a brain driven by our sexual organs. I am immensely disappointed to find that all the feminism I used to support has done in the days after I thought we had achieved the equality we sought is turn women into men in skirts.......with a diminution of all that made us better than them.

Originally Posted by JavisBeason

I'm not so much for death penalty for everything, but I (*)(*)(*)(*) sure think equal punishment is warranted for false reports.

I agree......A false report should be punishable for the same amount of time in prison as a real rape.

This entire debate is based on a false premise. It is not now or has it ever been illegal to have sex with a drunk female. I have done it many times so have most of my friends. I have personally seen hundreds if not thousands of drunks hook up at the club every weekend. This is just a made up problem for someone who has emotional issues to complain about. There is no special law that says you can't have sex with drunk girls.

When I was young, women who gave men the 'come on' were known as C...Teasers.It looks as if some things never change.

Originally Posted by diligent

When I was young, women who gave men the 'come on' were known as C...Teasers.It looks as if some things never change.

What is the "come on"?

Where on earth have you been living? Or maybe are you too young to understand the female pysche.

If a girl is drunk how can anyone prove whether or not it was consensual.It's an oxymoron.

Why any male would want sex with a drunken woman is beyond me, unless, of course, he is also drunk.