Thread: Horrible mistreatment of women in muslim world

Originally Posted by Traditionalist

I'm not a feminist, but what do you propose feminist do? Fly to pakistan(or any ME country) and rally in the streets?

Bono doesn't have to live in Africa to make an impact in reducing the AIDS epidemic there. Because it's an important enough issue to him to go where the pain is and get involved. Western feminists could do some real good for the world if they would take this same approach to women's suffering around the globe. If they would go and get involved and stop using distance as an excuse.

Originally Posted by Margot

It might be smarter for feminists to protest the abuse, rapes and murders of American women .. Oh right... They do that.

Is that really the case or is it just the excuse they hide behind to justify only investing their time in issues that directly benefit themselves? Why can't American feminists set up a branch of their organization specifically to help women in other countries that do not have the same freedoms that women in America have? That seems like a pretty good idea if you truly care about women. That way they're branching out and helping even more women.

Originally Posted by Unifier

Bono doesn't have to live in Africa to make an impact in reducing the AIDS epidemic there. Because it's an important enough issue to him to go where the pain is and get involved. Western feminists could do some real good for the world if they would take this same approach to women's suffering around the globe. If they would go and get involved and stop using distance as an excuse.

Explain how they should do so. Also, why should only feminists do it? Seems just a tad hypocritical to tell others what they should be doing and not do it yourself.

Rape victim to be sent to jail for 1 year and given 100 lashes for adultery and attempted abortion
Adnan Shabrawi, Saudi Gazette
December 6, 2011

JEDDAH – A 23-year-old unmarried woman was awarded one-year prison term and 100 lashes for committing adultery and trying to abort the resultant fetus. The District Court in Jeddah pronounced the verdict on Saturday after the girl confessed that she had a forced sexual intercourse with a man who had offered her a ride. The man, the girl confessed, took her to a rest house, east of Jeddah, where he and four of friends assaulted her all night long. The girl claimed that she became pregnant soon after and went to King Fahd Hospital for Armed Forces in an attempt to carry out an abortion. She was eight weeks’ pregnant then, the hospital confirmed. According to the ruling, the woman will be sent to a jail outside Jeddah to spend her time and will be lashed after delivery of her baby who will take the mother’s last name.

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index...od=home.regcon


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-rape-her.html

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Images:Violence_Against_Women

Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland

Rape victim to be sent to jail for 1 year and given 100 lashes for adultery and attempted abortion
Adnan Shabrawi, Saudi Gazette
December 6, 2011

JEDDAH – A 23-year-old unmarried woman was awarded one-year prison term and 100 lashes for committing adultery and trying to abort the resultant fetus. The District Court in Jeddah pronounced the verdict on Saturday after the girl confessed that she had a forced sexual intercourse with a man who had offered her a ride. The man, the girl confessed, took her to a rest house, east of Jeddah, where he and four of friends assaulted her all night long. The girl claimed that she became pregnant soon after and went to King Fahd Hospital for Armed Forces in an attempt to carry out an abortion. She was eight weeks’ pregnant then, the hospital confirmed. According to the ruling, the woman will be sent to a jail outside Jeddah to spend her time and will be lashed after delivery of her baby who will take the mother’s last name.

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index...od=home.regcon


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-rape-her.html

That's messed up. Sad people use Islam to justify such barbarity.

Of course, some muslim countries are much worse than others. And the types of mistreatment varry between countries. In Egypt and Pakistan, a large segment of the population is impoverished, and cultural-religious practices of abuse towards women are deeply imbedded. Most of this abuse is carried out by individuals and tribal councils, rather than perpetrated by the national governments in these two countries. Although this practices are so common that the government usually looks the other way. The Sudan is an extremely poor African country, plaqued by violence, and girls are sold outright for marriage to other men, severely beaten if they try to resist. It is here that one finds all those outrageous practices: severe forms of female genital mutilation, adulterous women are buried chest-high in dirt and stonned to death, for example. All this is very traditional in many rural communities. Iran and Saudi Arabia have very strict Islamic governments, that impose Sharia-influenced law and punishments. In Saudi Arabia, women can be beheaded just for being raped, since it is considered "adultery" if the woman cannot prove it was rape. This happens in the western provinces of Pakistan also. Women are traditionally not expected to go outside the house unaccompanied by male relatives (who presumably can act as witnesses if she gets raped). Punishments in Saudi Arabia have generally become less extreme in recent decades, and the government now mostly uses beheadings only in more extreme crimes to set an example. Prison sentences are being used instead, altough a woman was recently beheaded for allegedly practicing "witchcraft" and "sorcery".

Muslim women in southeast Asia are generally treated better, although there is some genital mutilation happening in Malaysia and Indonesia. Muslim countries such as Morocco and Azerbaijan are much less strict (they even drink alcohol), and there generally is not any severe abuse against women here. Turkey has a secular government, but a few of the local provinces still enforce ridiculous sanctions on women and family life. In several instances, husbands have repeatedly forced their wives to have sex with them, against the will of the woman, again and again. Forcing ones wife to have sex agaisnt her will is not a punishable offense most of the provinces. Some of these women do not have any other choice, they may be too poor to leave, and if they do, the man is awarded full custody of the children. Divorce can also be difficult to obtain, there are technically certain conditions that have to be met.

Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland

Of course, some muslim countries are much worse than others. And the types of mistreatment varry between countries. In Egypt and Pakistan, a large segment of the population is impoverished, and cultural-religious practices of abuse towards women are deeply imbedded. Most of this abuse is carried out by individuals and tribal councils, rather than perpetrated by the national governments in these two countries. Although this practices are so common that the government usually looks the other way. The Sudan is an extremely poor African country, plaqued by violence, and girls are sold outright for marriage to other men, severely beaten if they try to resist. It is here that one finds all those outrageous practices: severe forms of female genital mutilation, adulterous women are buried chest-high in dirt and stonned to death, for example. All this is very traditional in many rural communities. Iran and Saudi Arabia have very strict Islamic governments, that impose Sharia-influenced law and punishments. In Saudi Arabia, women can be beheaded just for being raped, since it is considered "adultery" if the woman cannot prove it was rape. This happens in the western provinces of Pakistan also. Women are traditionally not expected to go outside the house unaccompanied by male relatives (who presumably can act as witnesses if she gets raped). Punishments in Saudi Arabia have generally become less extreme in recent decades, and the government now mostly uses beheadings only in more extreme crimes to set an example. Prison sentences are being used instead, altough a woman was recently beheaded for allegedly practicing "witchcraft" and "sorcery".

Muslim women in southeast Asia are generally treated better, although there is some genital mutilation happening in Malaysia and Indonesia. Muslim countries such as Morocco and Azerbaijan are much less strict (they even drink alcohol), and there generally is not any severe abuse against women here. Turkey has a secular government, but a few of the local provinces still enforce ridiculous sanctions on women and family life. In several instances, husbands have repeatedly forced their wives to have sex with them, against the will of the woman, again and again. Forcing ones wife to have sex agaisnt her will is not a punishable offense most of the provinces. Some of these women do not have any other choice, they may be too poor to leave, and if they do, the man is awarded full custody of the children. Divorce can also be difficult to obtain, there are technically certain conditions that have to be met.

What's your point of this thread anyway?

The muslim brotherhood just won the elections in Egypt. This is bad news for the little girls.

http://www.zimbio.com/Egypt/articles...Female+Genital

Americans cannot do anything in Pakistan as it is. There would need to be a much stronger native feminist movement in place. In the meantime, it does the Pakistani women no good to see American feminists put down as a nuisance.

Not to give up hope, though. There are feminist movements stirring in the less repressive Muslim countries in Europe and Africa, espeically in Mali, Mauritania, Senegal, Gambia, Guinea, Burkina Faso and Nigeria. The women of Turkey, Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan always have been a bit freer than those in even non-Muslim nations like India.