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Old 07-02-2004, 04:12 PM
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Default Equal Rights Vs. Chivalry

With the birth of women’s equal rights comes the death of chivalry. Anyone agree//disagree?
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Old 07-03-2004, 12:22 PM
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I disagree. Men will still be respected for who they are.Women having equal opportunitys doesnt mean things will die such as chivalry.
Men are physically stronger and will be seen for thier chivalry, but i would say women are mentally stronger, and by having equal opportunities they will feel more respected.
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Old 07-03-2004, 02:33 PM
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"I disagree. Men will still be respected for who they are.Women having equal opportunitys doesnt mean things will die such as chivalry."

Equality means no one goes out of their way to help one type of person over another. Equality means men and women treat each other equally.

"Men are physically stronger and will be seen for thier chivalry, but i would say women are mentally stronger, and by having equal opportunities they will feel more respected."

History does not support your argument about women being mentally superior. I don’t think you can make generalizations about those kinds of things.
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Old 07-04-2004, 11:35 AM
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Men are physically stronger and will be seen for thier chivalry, but i would say women are mentally stronger, and by having equal opportunities they will feel more respected.
History does not support your argument about women being mentally superior. I don’t think you can make generalizations about those kinds of things.
When does history ever truly support an arguement about how one group of people see another. You could make several generalisations about it but none would be completely accurate because there will always be a few with a different view. I personally feel that women as a generalisation are not mentally stronger but know how to show/use their emotion better, making them look stronger. There are however the exceptions to this and they are many. So I would probably sit on the fence between Samurai and D-II saying it is fine to make generalisations, solong as you accept that it is a generalisations and there are always exceptions.
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Im sorry if i brought any offence towards you d=2 i was just saying for alot of women not all they appear to be better at being more calm for example driving.When alot of men drive not all they get so angry and impatient towards drivers especially the older or women.However some women do as well but it seems less..
So thier more of a mentally calm gender.
But with every gender there are exceptions
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Old 07-05-2004, 07:39 AM
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Okay whatever, that seems reasonable, but I’m not sure it speaks to the topic at hand.
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Disagree.

Chivalry is about what I believe my actions should be as a man. If I want to hold a door for a woman or always try to pick-up the check, those are my choices. If a woman chooses don't to accept my kindness ,then that is up to her. I respect her rights to do so. But that doesn't mean I have to change who I am.

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Old 07-06-2004, 01:16 PM
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Disagree.

Chivalry is about what I believe my actions should be as a man. If I want to hold a door for a woman or always try to pick-up the check, those are my choices. If a woman chooses don't to accept my kindness ,then that is up to her. I respect her rights to do so. But that doesn't mean I have to change who I am.

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You bring up a good point, but if you value equality, you would do the same for your friends who are male as well. I intended this thread to show only that now, women seem to be choosing to go out into the working world. This is fine. But a double standard is set up if it is expected that men are to always hold the door and pick up the check for women. Of course, you can do as you please, it is within your right to do so, and it would be even nicer of you to do that with everyone you are with, male and female. Just be aware that a double standard is set up if women expect to go to work and have men drive there. I’m not suggesting this is the way it is, only warning against it. Chivalry is when men treat women with respect, typically more than men do with other men. If women truly strive to be equals, chivalry must go, and in its place shall be born a concept of equal respect and treatment for all.
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Old 07-20-2004, 06:05 AM
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Chivalry is dead, I agree. Men got the attitude that if women want to be treated equal then they would treat them equal........ no more opening a car door, no more opening a door period, no more paying for the bill, etc. It is sort of a punishment for women.
Its not taught to young boys because it wasn't taught to their fathers. I guess its what women asked for so I won't complain. I would rather open my own door then "obey" my husband.
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Old 07-20-2004, 06:29 AM
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Chivalry is dead, I agree. Men got the attitude that if women want to be treated equal then they would treat them equal........ no more opening a car door, no more opening a door period, no more paying for the bill, etc. It is sort of a punishment for women.
Its not taught to young boys because it wasn't taught to their fathers. I guess its what women asked for so I won't complain. I would rather open my own door then "obey" my husband.
There is no reason for me to open a car door for my male bud, but for my fiance', I do it not because I want her to obey me, or because I want her to feel she owes me anything. I do it because I love her and it is a very natural thing for me to want to show kindness toward her. With my friends I would never consider getting the car door for them however I do on occasion pick up the check and I always hold the door to a building if I am the first one out regardless of who is following. I would never stop doing nice things for my fiance' simply because women in general have demanded equality. I for one think that it has been a long time coming and commend the effort made over the years. Even today there is still a gap in wages made by women as compared to men, and this is wrong.

But to tell you the truth, I believe chivalry will simply evolve to both genders doing nice things for each other. My fiance and I already have this. When it is raining, my girlfriend almost always comes over to my side of the car with her umbrella before I get out, and this is just one thing. We share cooking and cleaning etc. It's really the most healthy way to go. By eliminating this difference and accepting that it is a "team effort", your relationship will have that much less to fight about and then real issues can be confronted by both of you together.
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