I would suggest that the child's right and the woman's right are the only sensible choices of those. I am admittedly biased about the state's right. I don't think states or any other governments actually have rights. So maybe it is possible to argue for it, but it does not fit in my paradigm at all.
The father's right is not equal to the mother's because a) his body will not be affected and b) the father can escape parental obligation much more easily.
But let's see if there is a fair way to reconcile:
Situation 1: woman's life in danger- father should have no say in this case. If woman wishes to risk her life, so be it. The father has no right to decide on the mother's life.
For the rest, assume no danger to woman:
Situation 2: Both parents agree- then there is no argument if the state is out of it. Now granted, I don't necessarily think abortion should be viewed as a right- but I certainly don't think states have rights. It is the child's right that might trump the parents'.
Situation 3: Mother wants abortion, but not father- not married: mother gives birth, but on condition that father pays all costs and a fee for the pain the mother suffers through. Mother loses all rights of motherhood. Father gets custody.
Situation 4: same as above, but married: I don't know. I really don't know.
Situation 5: father wants abortion but not mother: father resolved from pay for child but also barred from any parental rights. Mother pays costs.
Analysis: Situation 1 and 2 seem straightforward. The reason falls apart after that. 3 and 5 bring up terrible problems of costs and the potential ill effects of single-parenthood. The likelihood is that such policies would encourage consensus toward abortion. 4 is just odd. There does not appear to be a fair way to deal with it without forcing divorce, which would statistically affect the women horribly and turn out pretty counterproductive to creating good families no matter what.
My conclusion is that bringing up the concept of father's rights is more trouble than help. The debate is left between the right of the two people directly physically involved.
I prefer looking at it as the child's rights. The only exception should be when the mother's life is in danger. It is the right of an individual to decide whether or not to give her life to save another. Thus, in such a case, mother's right trumps.
There is never a point where the father's right should logically trump either the child's or the mother's. Though I think it is best that the family talks it over. A father who will not marry the mother doesn't even deserve that much say.
And in any case, the state has no rights. Only responsibilities.

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-opening from Tales From the Darkside

But the child is not a part of her body.

Yes... if her health is in danger then it is in concern.

But no mother with a fully functioning brain is going to want her child to die, just to save her own.

Oftenly it's the father that has to make the decision, since the Mother is going to be either to maturnal or too self-centered. Even though I can't say there is a thing as being too maturnal. But... with all those hormones taking into place while she is pregnant and with the likelihood of her having a psychological disorder or a mental disorder of somekind. It's hard to say if she'll choose the right choice.

It would be sexist of me to say that women lack having logic. But it's hard to think logically if you have anything hindering you to do such.

And besides... if she didn't want a baby then she shouldn't have gotten one. But if her health is at risk. And at a great risk, in which you lose the child or both. Then it should be of a legal agreement between both parents (of course the father is going to agree, unless of course the father isn't present because he was the rapist or something, which of course then it should be solely the mother's choice) that the child should be aborted.

But such a likely chance of something like such occuring is very rare. Normally if the mother as a result of pregnancy she dies while giving child birth, not before such.

And in such a case, it might be wise to have die if she has something wrong with her.

I hate to say it, but society is better off with some women dead. Especially the ones that lack logic, can't get off an addiction, or can't make an honest and mature judgement on someone or something.

And besides that I have heard that abortions have a serious negative effect on the mother.

And besides... shouldn't we be trying to find cures to these solutions rather than killing someone off?

Seems like society has gone a bit barbaric in these times. Killing children and such.



Now aside from that... the child is not a part nor has it ever been a part of the woman's body.

Yes it's inside her womb. Big deal. A man's thing also goes inside her womb and also has went inside her womb in order for that child to even be there. So does that mean his thing should also be dismembered?

Base on the principle that anything in there is a part of her body she should do what she pleases with it.

I also think we are going a little bit too stereotypical when it comes to the children.

Father = Work + Pay Bills
Mother = Clean + Taking Care of Children

Are we still brainwashed on those old TV shows from the 50's, 60's, and 70's?

I think its time people start waking up and realize. That so what if it's in her womb. It was also a part of him too. And he's the one that has to take care of both of them. Considering that great amount of responsibility the male has to do. I think we should cut him some slack and give him complete equal responsibility on the health and care of the child. Since he has to do so when it's born.

And also in terms of marriage, doesn't he have to take care of his wife in sickness and in health?

Well I do think nearly dead does count as being sick.

So since he's married to her and it's her health. Then it's his responsibility.

I agree the father should have just as much as a say as the mother would, after all, he was the one that did make the baby, right? Our nation was founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs; so who's to say the founding fathers would approve of abortion? The child being a living being at certain stages, is he/she not already alive when they first burst out of the father and into the mothers womb? But, if murder should be legalized perhaps you pro-death people might have a say.

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so I said I was pro choice, and I choose life

I agree the father should have just as much as a say as the mother would, after all, he was the one that did make the baby, right? Our nation was founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs; so who's to say the founding fathers would approve of abortion? The child being a living being at certain stages, is he/she not already alive when they first burst out of the father and into the mothers womb? But, if murder should be legalized perhaps you pro-death people might have a say.

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so I said I was pro choice, and I choose life

As a Mature Responsible Woman I believe every woman has the right to choose I just believe the right to choose comes long before pregnancy.
We have the right as Mature Adults to be informed how to take care of our bodies.
We have the right to choose what kind of contraceptive we should use to prevents pregnancy.
We have the right to obstain from having sex if we choose not to take a chance on getting pregnant.
We have the right to make sure we take a pill, IUD, or condom and make sure our male mate uses a condom to so we are doubly protected.
We have the right to choose to use norplant or to get fixed if we absolutely do not want to take a chance of getting pregnant.
Where I think we fail to Choose is when we are so irresponsible and imature as to get ourselves pregnant and then think it is our right to Murder a fetus because we haven't taken the precautions to care for our own bodies. If we are that irresponsible how can we expect men to treat us as equals in the work place. How can we expect to be respected if we can't even take responsibility to keep ourselves from getting pregnant.
Thats what I believe the right to choose means.

Although I am a man, I believe that it is moral wrong for a women to have an abortion (on both the women and the men's part for letting her). When two adults want to have sex with each other they know the risk they are taking. Now you say " it the women choice what she does with her body". Well once she has another human being inside her, it not her body she has to think about its the baby's body inside her too. They say you are living if our heart is beating, well after 2 to 3 week a fetus' hearts start to beat. So isn't alive?

Now for the men, the men they need to step up and be the MAN. To many men run from this problem and leave the women to make the choice. It takes two to make a baby. They both did it, they both need to decide what to do and how they should take care of it.

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most dads would'nt give a S*it if they had a say in their unborn childs maybe life, hehe, and the fetus is basically like a parasite living off of the host or the mother. so i think the mother should have the total freedom to decide and for those dads who do care then their partners most likely wont have an abortion without first talking about it with the dad. right? i mean you have to consider all aspects and point of views you cant look at your own experience's and say "whoa based on what i know i wouldnt do it so they shouldnt either" thats not fair.

a comment that said a fetus is living just because it has a pulse? well that may be true but it has no concept at all of life and what it means to live, right? i mean most people dont realize they contradict themselves. we can kill animals who are more alive than a fetus, but we cant kill a fetus who has no idea they even exist.

I am a 21 year old man, and I believe that abortion is murder, and any woman who would kill herself (through back-alley illegal abortions) in her quest to butcher her own child deserves to die anyway. The only regrettable death in a back-alley or coat-hanger abortion is the baby that dies with his or her mother.

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