Woman calls for decriminalization of nonviolent rapes - Page 3

katiegrrl0 · #21 (**permalink**) 07-16-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

Agreed, all rapes are violent, and I have no idea how anyone - least of all another woman, could claim otherwise.

A woman who has been raped I'm sure woul not say it was an enjoyable sexual experience.

Xenju · #22 (**permalink**) 07-16-2008, 04:06 PM

The woman in Cali is an idiot. Rape is a serious crime, and the laws already make distinctions between statutory rape, for example, and aggravated rape. Leave well enough alone. Or if you really want to make a change, then make the rape of children a capital offense. But then, that seems to offend the liberal justices on the Supreme Court. More idiots.

JMS · #23 (**permalink**) 07-16-2008, 04:10 PM

what if two drunk people have sex? is the guy considered a rapist?

Makedde · #24 (**permalink**) 07-16-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JMS

what if two drunk people have sex? is the guy considered a rapist?

If the woman and the man is drunk, then I do not consider it a 'rape' as such. If the woman chose to drink, she chose to get drunk, and she must accept part of the responsiblity.
I don't think men should be expected to control their body's when they are drunk, and the woman can carry on like a pork chop and expect nothing to happen.

heikstheo · #25 (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

I don't think men should be expected to control their body's when they are drunk.

If the man chose to get drunk, he made that choice of his own free will. If there are any legal consequences of his actions while drunk, he ought to take it like a man.

Makedde · #26 (**permalink**) 07-24-2008, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by heikstheo

If the man chose to get drunk, he made that choice of his own free will. If there are any legal consequences of his actions while drunk, he ought to take it like a man.

So the man is expected to take the blame for anything that happens while he is drunk, but the woman can get drunk and expect that nothing will happen to her?
Equal responsibilty. The best way to avoid an incident like this is to not get drunk. Simple.

rascleattop · #27 (**permalink**) 07-24-2008, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by katiegrrl0

Rape is violent. Forcing yourself on someone that doesn't want it is violence. In my mind there is no such thing as a non violent rape. I mean think about it. If any of you were raped you'd think it was violent.

Totally concur.

I've regretted sex afterwards and "caved in" to having it when I didn't really actually want it, but I couldn't ever FATHOM being raped.

Pepper spray and brass knuckles

<Kt> · #28 (**permalink**) 07-24-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PBWinner

I don't have a link; I heard this on radio. A nonviolent rape like when a daterape drug is used to make a victim unconscious so the rapist can have his/her way with that victim without the use of force; force is like hitting that victim into submission.

Right, although more commonly the victim is concious, but so stoned out of their mind they are unable to put up much of a fight.

So it's rape AND poisoning, they ought to go to jail for longer.

FoolsProgress · #29 (**permalink**) 07-24-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

So the man is expected to take the blame for anything that happens while he is drunk, but the woman can get drunk and expect that nothing will happen to her?
Equal responsibilty. The best way to avoid an incident like this is to not get drunk. Simple.

at a college orientation programs at the university i used to attend, first-year students were taught that if at any point the woman involved in a sexual encounter is intoxicated it is automatically "gray-rape" by the man involved--even if he is intoxicated, too. even the smallest smidgen of alcohol in the blood was seen as coercing consent.

heikstheo · #30 (**permalink**) 07-24-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

So the man is expected to take the blame for anything that happens while he is drunk, but the woman can get drunk and expect that nothing will happen to her?
Equal responsibilty. The best way to avoid an incident like this is to not get drunk. Simple.

Note that I never said anything either way about whether or not the woman bears any responsibility for the situation. However, as a man, I say that a man should have enough brains to remain sober enough to be able to figure out whether the woman is sober enough to know what the hell she is doing if/when she invites him to bed. If the guy is stupid enough to have sex with a drunk female, and if the law in his jurisdiction decrees that a drunk female is incapable of offering up her consent, then so be it if he gets charged with rape.

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