Abortion - Page 5

JavaBlack · #41 (**permalink**) 07-27-2006, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ---locke---";p=&quot

Plus i know wemon who have had an abortion and all of them regret it and feel that they took away life, it plages them all every day, and has severl affected their mental and phisical state.

I believe this to be one of the key things that needs to be looked at. The women who have abortions are typically victims themselves, hardly dangerous criminals in any real sense. Punishing them is just punishment, not prevention... and it has never worked in the past (illegal abortions have been commonplace well before Roe v. Wade).
It is more important to look at the root.
I believe the root is the fatalistic shame we place on pregnant young women, coupled with the irrationality of youth and trauma. Planned parenting and abortion need to be treated as seperate issues and sexual education should give all the facts. Also parents need to make sure they never imply that communication lines are closed or that any deed can lead to loss of love. It is the fear of parents most often that leads to abortion rather than facing up, and the inability to talk with them that leads them to think the worse of a child born unprepared.

---locke--- · #42 (**permalink**) 07-27-2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JavaBlack";p=&quot

I believe the root is the fatalistic shame we place on pregnant young women, coupled with the irrationality of youth and trauma. Planned parenting and abortion need to be treated as seperate issues and sexual education should give all the facts. Also parents need to make sure they never imply that communication lines are closed or that any deed can lead to loss of love. It is the fear of parents most often that leads to abortion rather than facing up, and the inability to talk with them that leads them to think the worse of a child born unprepared.

well said.

#43 (**permalink**) 01-06-2007, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kroger99";p=&quot

Many of us see abortion as the murder of an Innocent child. you may not see an unborn child as a human being, but many of us do. We see taking the life of that child is nothing more than murder.

It really is that simple.

Others believe that women have the fundamental right to make their own decisions about abortion.

#44 (**permalink**) 01-19-2007, 06:48 PM

How many of you like crime???

*Pin drops*

Yeah that's right, not many of you.

anyone remmember crime falling RAPIDLY in the early 90's?

well id hate to be a killjoy if you thought it were do to America's impressive police forces.

but I will anyways.

heres the thesis- crime dropped directly due to the legalization of abortion from the roe vs. wade trial.

I'm going to qoute the author/economist Steven Levitt on his book "Freakonomics"

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The United States, meanwhile, has had a different abortion history than Europe. In the early days of the nation, it was permissible to have an abortion prior to “quickening"—that is, when the first movements of the fetus could be felt, usually around the sixteenth to eighteenth week of pregnancy. In 1828, New York became the first state to restrict abortion; by 1900 it had been made illegal throughout the country. Abortion in the twentieth century was often dangerous and usually expensive. Fewer poor women, therefore, had abortions. They also had less access to birth control. What they did have, accordingly, was a lot more babies.
In the late 1960s, several states began to allow abortion under extreme circumstances: rape, incest, or danger to the mother. By 1970 five states had
made abortion entirely legal and broadly available: New York, California, Washington, Alaska, and Hawaii. On January 22, 1973, legalized abortion was suddenly extended to the entire country with the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling in Roe v. Wade. The majority opinion, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, spoke specifically to the would-be mother’s predicament:
The detriment that the State would impose upon the pregnant woman by denying this choice altogether is apparent…. Maternity, or additional offspring, may force upon the woman a distressful life and future. Psychological harm may be imminent. Mental and physical health may be taxed by child care. There is also the distress, for all concerned, associated with the unwanted child, and there is the problem of bringing a child into a family already unable, psychologically and otherwise, to care for it.

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Before Roe v. Wade, it was predominantly the daughters of middle-or upper-class families who could arrange and afford a safe illegal abortion. Now, instead of an illegal procedure that might cost $500, any woman could easily obtain an abortion, often for less than $100.
What sort of woman was most likely to take advantage of Roev. Wade? Very often she was unmarried or in her teens or poor, and sometimes all three. What sort of future might her child have had? One study has shown that the typical child who went unborn in the earliest years of legalized abortion would have been 50 percent more likely than average to live in poverty; he would have also been 60 percent more likely to grow up with just one parent. These two factors—childhood poverty and a single-parent household—are among the strongest predictors that a child will have a criminal future. Growing up in a single-parent home roughly doubles a child’s propensity to commit crime. So does having a teenage mother. Another study has shown that low maternal education is the single most powerful factor leading to criminality.
In other words, the very factors that drove millions of American women to have an abortion also seemed to predict that their children, had they been born, would have led unhappy and possibly criminal lives.

Those were some small excerpts from Chapter 4 The beginning of the chapter wouldn't have been relevant to this discussion, nor would it be legal to post that much copyrighted material on here (I wonder if what i've posted is even legal)

I'm not going to lie, I'm 17, and I'm sporting male genitals. and unless you were embedded with the idea that celibacy is essential to survival by insane parents, sex is inevitable. and of all the things I fear the most is throwing my best years away raising a kid, or working my arse off to pay child support. And before reading this book I was very "pro-life." But in no way am I religious, I believe in karma to an extent tho. But I also believe that we, as citizens, should put aside our personal moral beliefs for the safety and betterment of the majority of people. and if aborting a fetus is bad karma, then so be it, but id rather a community be safe(er) from crime then how it would be if there were tons of Bastard children running around causing all sorts of hell.

We have a civic duty to keep the safety and prosperity of our country first in our minds at all time.

Patriotism is NOT about going to church, beating up people who burn flags, or swearing to kill every one who opposes a capitalistic democracy -not at all- its about the quality of life of its citizens and swearing to keep it at a high standard.

Flame away, I know its coming.

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