Political Forum  

Go Back   Political Forum > Political Issues > Civil Rights > Women's Rights

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 10-28-2004, 02:33 PM
Vinyar1032's Avatar
Vinyar1032 Vinyar1032 is offline
Correspondent
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 246
Vinyar1032 is on a distinguished road
Credits: 3,019
Send a message via AIM to Vinyar1032
Default Abortion

Freedom is something very important in the United States. It means you are free to choose. Abortion banning is a very terrible destruction of a freedom. Every single person on this Earth owns one thing, their body. And they should have control of their body to do with it whatever they want. Now if it effects any other living, breathing, person in any way, there should be a punishment.
I myself do not support abortion in the least. But I can not say others can not. After all, there are no foolproof ways to avoid pregnancy.
Sex is something to do to create life, and for pleasure. Weather it be with a boyfriend or girlfriend, or a husband or wife. Let me say a few scenarios :
A couple are happily married, but do not want children yet. They want to be just themselves for a few years then share their life with children. Also because they do not currently have the money to support a child. Now they lead a good sex life. But their protection fails to work. Both the husband and the wife both know that they would go into poverty if they had a child now, but both want one later. That is a situation of which you may need it.
(God forbid this ever happen) A girl is raped and becomes pregnant from it. She can not support a child, and barely herself. Not to consider the thought of the psychological damage it would deal to the child to know that he/she was the result of a raping.
A girl and her boyfriend lead a good life. They are both in love, and know someday they will be married. They have a good sex life, and she uses the pill. Now say the pill fails. 99% isn't full proof. The boyfriend doesn't want the mantle the responsibility of father, and the girlfriend doesn't want to bear a child unless it is with the man she marries.

In all of these scenarios, abortion may be necessary. Not saying it is, but it may. It is all about the choice of the mother. If she chooses she does not want to mantle the responsibility of a child, she should not have to. Sex is not just for making a child, but also for pleasure with one you love.
If abortion is banned, it will become a back alley operation, causing a much more risk. In no way does telling a woman that they do not have a choice of how they wish to use their body, you are moving the country back a step to the medieval ages when a woman had no choice. Not even who she married. Women are free to do what they want with their bodies, just as much as men. As long as the way they use their body does not harm another living, breathing, standing alone, human being, they should be allowed to do it. And by standing alone, I mean being able to live on its own self. Its own being able to eat, distribute energy, breath, all on its own.
To ban abortion is a crime of natural rights of all humans. It should be a choice for the woman. And to take it away, is to move the country a step back to the times long since passed.
__________________
Do not believe out of fear, or for the fact you grew up in a religon. Believe what your heart tells you is right.
-C. Payette
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 11-09-2004, 06:37 AM
Kroger99's Avatar
Kroger99 Kroger99 is offline
Contributor
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Louisville, Kentucky
Posts: 113
Kroger99 is on a distinguished road
Credits: 994
Default Not so

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinyar1032";p=&quot View Post
I myself do not support abortion in the least. But I can not say others can not. After all, there are no foolproof ways to avoid pregnancy.
Oh yes there is and it works every time it is tried...LOL Any guesses as to what?

Many of us see abortion as the murder of an Innocent child. you may not see an unborn child as a human being, but many of us do. We see taking the life of that child is nothing more than murder.

It really is that simple.
__________________
Ken Rogers
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 11-09-2004, 01:22 PM
barney-fife's Avatar
barney-fife barney-fife is offline
Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 7,997
barney-fife is an unknown quantity at this point
Credits: 44,694
Default think again

"After all, there are no foolproof ways to avoid pregnancy."

Wrong. Abstinance works 100% of the time, everytime it is used.
__________________
"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."
Winston Churchill
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 11-14-2004, 04:02 PM
Vinyar1032's Avatar
Vinyar1032 Vinyar1032 is offline
Correspondent
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 246
Vinyar1032 is on a distinguished road
Credits: 3,019
Send a message via AIM to Vinyar1032
Default ok

True, but everyone reaches a point where lust takes over. Even more, sex is not only for a child, but also for pleasure between a married couple. If you invent something that works 100%, but can be taken off so a child can be concieved if wish (in short, no permanent things), then there would not be any reason for it.

And-
"Many of us see abortion as the murder of an Innocent child. you may not see an unborn child as a human being, but many of us do. We see taking the life of that child is nothing more than murder."

Well then, you go out and adopt a child, tell a girl getting an abortion you will take the child, you go do that, then talk.
__________________
Do not believe out of fear, or for the fact you grew up in a religon. Believe what your heart tells you is right.
-C. Payette
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 11-17-2004, 04:09 AM
Kroger99's Avatar
Kroger99 Kroger99 is offline
Contributor
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Louisville, Kentucky
Posts: 113
Kroger99 is on a distinguished road
Credits: 994
Default what? LOL

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinyar1032";p=&quot View Post
Well then, you go out and adopt a child, tell a girl getting an abortion you will take the child, you go do that, then talk.
First off...Lust is controllable. This is no excuse for poor judgment.

Secondly...there are plenty of people who want to adopt children, but for me...I took responsibility for my actions and raised my daughter conceived out of wedlock. (yes, I was a Teenager) Again, you are trying to push off mistakes on other people with your comments. This too, is no excuse for poor judgment.

If you are not going to be responsible for the risk that you take....Don't have sex until you are willing to step up to the plate.
__________________
Ken Rogers
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 11-19-2004, 11:43 AM
Samurai Samurai is offline
Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 138
Samurai is on a distinguished road
Credits: 1,134
Default hmmmmmmmmm

Im someone who sees a baby as living, and by aborting it you are commiting murder. I think that if a person should have freedom to kill an innocent human being the baby, then surely you might as well take away the law murder and give the freedom for murderers to kill. After all we have control over mind and so why dont we have freedom to choose what we do.

The problem with allowing abortion is the ethical issues. There is no excuse for aborting a child just because of pleasure. As for rape victims thats a difficult one but i still disagree and believe if they dont want it they should put it up for abortion. allowing abortion is contradicting other rules in a way.
__________________
The past is what makes us who we are dont make it your burdern
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 01-06-2005, 01:38 PM
JBsharp JBsharp is offline
Contributor
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 86
JBsharp is on a distinguished road
Credits: 609
Default .....

Until we discover something that can prevent pregnancy 100%(other than abstinence of course) we all have to take responsibility for our actions. The only thing pro-choicers defend is the right to not take any responsibility for a innocent life and the parent's actions. Abortion only reinforces the care free mind set about sex; with the help of abortion you can now have as much sex as you want without worrying about having a baby because you will be killing them off as you go.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 01-07-2005, 01:51 AM
Darken's Avatar
Darken Darken is offline
Sr. Correspondent
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Bellingham, WA
Posts: 419
Darken is on a distinguished road
Credits: 2,378
Send a message via MSN to Darken
Default Nope.

Quote:
Originally Posted by barney-fife";p=&quot View Post
"After all, there are no foolproof ways to avoid pregnancy."

Wrong. Abstinance works 100% of the time, everytime it is used.
No, I'm sorry but a woman can remain abstinant and still get pregnant. Its called rape.

To deny a woman the right to abort a rapist's child should be a crime.

Darken
__________________
Walk down the right back alley in Sin City and you can find anything...

Show your kids you love them by buying them the No. 7 brand.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 01-10-2005, 10:28 AM
catzmeow's Avatar
catzmeow catzmeow is offline
Site Moderator
Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Florida
Age: 42
Posts: 10,650
usa us florida
catzmeow has a brilliant futurecatzmeow has a brilliant futurecatzmeow has a brilliant futurecatzmeow has a brilliant futurecatzmeow has a brilliant futurecatzmeow has a brilliant futurecatzmeow has a brilliant futurecatzmeow has a brilliant futurecatzmeow has a brilliant futurecatzmeow has a brilliant futurecatzmeow has a brilliant future
Credits: 54,856
Send a message via Yahoo to catzmeow
Default What percentage of all pregnancies that are terminated

are the result of rape/incest?

I think that the scope of that should determine the relevance of rape to this conversation.

Catz
__________________
I gave myself to Jesus, but now he never calls.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 01-10-2005, 11:33 AM
kaladrew kaladrew is offline
Banned
Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,554
kaladrew is on a distinguished road
Default far right "christians" claim thousands are aborted every day

so even at 1% for rape and incest the number must be HUGE!!!!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks
Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Google Yahoo Furl Reddit

Thread Tools
Display Modes

 
Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:08 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0 Release Candidate 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0
Template-Modifikationen durch TMS
vBCredits v1.3 ©2007 by Darkwaltz4