Political Forum  

Go Back   Political Forum > Political Issues > Civil Rights > Women's Rights

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 05-22-2007, 03:30 PM
Revolutionary's Avatar
Revolutionary Revolutionary is offline
Sr. Correspondent
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 515
Revolutionary is on a distinguished road
Credits: 3,008
Default ...

Since a higher percentage of women are going to college than men now I think we are going to see a change and women will start to make more.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Col-Rouge";p=&quot View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by DDevil";p=&quot View Post
I often hear that society is sexist and biased against women in regards to how on average men get paid more than women for the work they perform. I am not talking about specific jobs but the average wage of a man compared to a woman.

Well i believe this is justified, women deserve less pay than men on average (not for doing the same jobs) before you all start burning your bra's, my reasoning is that in society there is only a certain number of jobs and of these jobs on average men get much more physically demanding jobs with much greater risks too their health and have to perform more over time whereas women tend to get easier jobs. Another factor is that any woman of child bearing age may need to have maternity pay also.

For it to be women getting paid the same would be blatant sexism.

The point you make needs some refinement - let me help

Equal pay for equal work

I can support that.

I employed accountants and pay them equally - no preference to gender race or religion -
The only point of difference - individual merit.

No dispensations for period pains or need to raise children - same as men get no dispensation for staying at home to look after children whilst mom is delivering new ones.
Employment is Employment - not a social club.
Employers are not responsible for an employees social welfare or family choices - and nor should they be.
An employer should be seeking the best individual to perform any job - regardless of gender etc.
I agree with this. There should be no bias for the same job.
__________________
Most people think Great God will come from the skies But if you know what life is worth You will look for yours on earth And now you see the light You stand up for your rights
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 10-23-2007, 09:06 PM
PureAmerican PureAmerican is offline
Observer
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 3
PureAmerican is on a distinguished road
Default Women

Women shouldn't be allowed to have jobs. They should stay at home to cook, clean, and do laundry for their husband and children. Why is the divorce rate of America so high? Because women aren't doing their proper job in society.

America would be a much better place if it was illegal for women to vote, get jobs, and own property. Ownership of property is just too much of a strain on a woman's inferior mind. They would have to think about taxes and utilities and it's just to much for a woman to bear. They should just resume their proper place in society.

-White Power!
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 10-24-2007, 06:53 AM
rwking's Avatar
rwking rwking is offline
Correspondent
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 318
rwking is on a distinguished road
Credits: 2,350
Default How old are you???

Quote:
Originally Posted by LameAmerican";p=&quot View Post
Women shouldn't be allowed to have jobs.
Get over it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by LameAmerican
They should stay at home to cook, clean, and do laundry for their husband and children.
Words like that won't get you a wife any time soon.

Quote:
Originally Posted by LameAmerican
Why is the divorce rate of America so high? Because women aren't doing their proper job in society.
Wrong...

The main causes in 2004 (2003) were:

* Extramarital affairs - 27% (29%)
* Family strains - 18% (11%)
* Emotional/physical abuse - 17% (10%)
* Mid-life crisis - 13% (not in 2003 survey)
* Addictions, e.g. alcoholism and gambling - 6% (5%)
* Workaholism - 6% (5%)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce#Causes

Quote:
Originally Posted by LameAmerican
America would be a much better place if it was illegal for women to vote, get jobs, and own property.
Not true. It would result in a biased voting demographic, a decrease of capital in the economy, and less property tax revenue for the government. Not to mention it's idiotic.

Quote:
Originally Posted by LameAmerican
Ownership of property is just too much of a strain on a woman's inferior mind. They would have to think about taxes and utilities and it's just to much for a woman to bear.
Based on what information?

Quote:
Originally Posted by LameAmerican
They should just resume their proper place in society.
Why don't you resume your proper place under my arse?

Quote:
Originally Posted by LameAmerican
-White Power!
Don't you mean "Moron Power!" ...???
__________________
-----------------------------------------------
Blind acceptance is a dangerous practice.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 12-05-2007, 09:04 AM
Hank Hank is offline
Observer
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Spring Hill, Fla.
Posts: 54
Hank is on a distinguished road
Credits: 332
Default moonbats nave no substance...

Quote:
Originally Posted by heikstheo";p=&quot View Post
All these studies showing that women make 59c on the male dollar (actually, it's long since been raised to 74c on the male dollar) are comparing apples to oranges. What the studies are saying is that any woman with a job makes less on average than any man with a job (not that women make less than men for the same job)! The problem, then, is not some grand cosmic conspiracy to pay women less than men but, rather, it is a problem of figuring out how to socialize women to go for the higher-paying jobs.
Exactly. I remember the study compared garbage men @ 60-80 hours a week average to secretaries @ 35-40 hours a week. The secretaries made more per hour but less per year. All of this moonbat crap is to separate Americans into groups that fight America so the socialist and communists don’t have to.
__________________
Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free.
However promoting your culture to where you have come will bring but what you fled.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 12-06-2007, 07:49 AM
Ivan's Avatar
Ivan Ivan is offline
Commentator
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Texas
Age: 32
Posts: 973
ukraine us texas
Ivan will become famous soon enough
Credits: 3,906
Send a message via MSN to Ivan
Default .

What kind of jobs are you talking about? Maid? Homemaker?
__________________
"Duty is the most sublime word in our language. You cannot do more. You should never wish to do less." - Robert E. Lee
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 12-06-2007, 08:10 AM
NumberUnknown's Avatar
NumberUnknown NumberUnknown is offline
Contributor
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Cylon Basestar
Posts: 102
NumberUnknown is an unknown quantity at this point
Credits: 1,013
Send a message via AIM to NumberUnknown Send a message via MSN to NumberUnknown Send a message via Yahoo to NumberUnknown
Default Fallacy fallacy fallacy.

It's a common fallacy women are paid less for the same work. Women generally can't work as much as a man, because they raise children. Women have maternity leave, meaning they can't work as much as a man. More men than women have, throughout history, attended university. That doesn't mean men are smarter. It means men have more opportunity to educate themselves and earn degrees at a greater rate than women.

So when you compare women to men, you're bound to find discrepancies.
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 02-26-2008, 11:15 AM
jlp jlp is offline
Observer
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 13
jlp is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DDevil View Post
I often hear that society is sexist and biased against women in regards to how on average men get paid more than women for the work they perform. I am not talking about specific jobs but the average wage of a man compared to a woman.

Well i believe this is justified, women deserve less pay than men on average (not for doing the same jobs) before you all start burning your bra's, my reasoning is that in society there is only a certain number of jobs and of these jobs on average men get much more physically demanding jobs with much greater risks too their health and have to perform more over time whereas women tend to get easier jobs. Another factor is that any woman of child bearing age may need to have maternity pay also.

For it to be women getting paid the same would be blatant sexism.
OK, so what if a woman is a laywer, doctor or teacher, which are not physically demanding jobs as such?

What if a woman is infertile, and thus cannot have children. She wouldn't have to be offered maternity pay or leave, would she? So, in both of these instances, is it justifiable for women to receive less pay than men?
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 02-26-2008, 11:42 AM
theantichrist's Avatar
theantichrist theantichrist is offline
Observer
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Utah
Posts: 70
theantichrist is on a distinguished road
Credits: 375
Send a message via MSN to theantichrist
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jlp View Post

What if a woman is infertile, and thus cannot have children. She wouldn't have to be offered maternity pay or leave, would she? So, in both of these instances, is it justifiable for women to receive less pay than men?
How about this, a woman might make less per month until the end of the year, If she hasnt used up any time on maternity leave she gets the rest. that sounds practical. and on a side note, I think the same policy should go for vacation and sick days.
__________________
To all christians: Why do you put up with a religion of repression and ignorance?





you can find me at silithrias.bravehost.com
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 02-26-2008, 05:17 PM
Tarheeler's Avatar
Tarheeler Tarheeler is online now
Correspondent
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: NC
Posts: 250
usa us north carolina
Tarheeler will become famous soon enoughTarheeler will become famous soon enough
Credits: 1,398
Default

In jobs where sex doen't factor into job performance (strength, durability), there should be equal pay.

(As a side note, no company that I or my wife have ever worked for has offered materinty pay. Materinty leave was unpaid and counted against the FMLA. Paid leave would be nice.)

Now jobs where sex does factor into performance, pay should be based on performance. I work as a HVAC technician; it requires a good deal of intelligence (many companies now require degrees), but it is also very physically demanding. I have worked with several women in this trade, and while their skills were top-notch, they could not do the job alone. They had to have help moving tools, parts, equipment.

With the added cost a helper, they cannot match the performance, or profit, of a male technician.
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 03-11-2008, 05:38 PM
constitution101 constitution101 is offline
Contributor
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 166
constitution101 will become famous soon enoughconstitution101 will become famous soon enough
Credits: -11
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DDevil View Post
I often hear that society is sexist and biased against women in regards to how on average men get paid more than women for the work they perform. I am not talking about specific jobs but the average wage of a man compared to a woman.

Well i believe this is justified, women deserve less pay than men on average (not for doing the same jobs) before you all start burning your bra's, my reasoning is that in society there is only a certain number of jobs and of these jobs on average men get much more physically demanding jobs with much greater risks too their health and have to perform more over time whereas women tend to get easier jobs. Another factor is that any woman of child bearing age may need to have maternity pay also.

For it to be women getting paid the same would be blatant sexism.
People should get paid for the amount of good, usefull work they do, not on anything else.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks
Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Google Yahoo Furl Reddit

Thread Tools
Display Modes

 
Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 01:38 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0 Release Candidate 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0
Template-Modifikationen durch TMS
vBCredits v1.3 ©2007 by Darkwaltz4