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The Christian Zionists support Israel tooth and nail. They prattle about Jesus Christ, but they have become a cult for Zionism.

It is weird and crazy.

The Evangelical Zionists will take any kind of insult to Jesus Christ, but will not listen to one word they consider offensive to Israel. In their obsession to idolize Israel - obviously thinking it will guarantee a place in Heaven - they are helping to drag the United States down the road to destruction. I listen to their talk-radio nonsense and honestly wonder how they got so involved. In the face of all the horror going on how can they possibly think Israel has any relationship with the Almighty?

I know the Jews have been spouting they are the Chosen for centuries, but millions of people have come to realize that Jesus Christ was the Chosen and not the Jews. They have been trying to steal His identify. As a matter of fact, Jesus Christ did a pretty good job pointing out who they actually are. But the Evangelicals - the Christian Zionists - ignore His words. They are too hell bent on being a cult. They just don't get it.
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Yes, many Christians in this country have become an arm of the Zionists. They are fear mongers of the worst kind. Always talking about how Muslims will take over the world if we don't keep attacking them. You can see it's nonsense from articles like the following, about the Jews living in Iran:

http://www.sephardicstudies.org/iran.html
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Default Logical Consistencies

"Logical Consistencies"

The christian fundamentalists adhere to the premise that the the god of abraham and the encompassing religions depend upon the covenant of canaan.

As stated before, all three religions believe that moses wrote genesis in which the division of land was delegated by that god.

Muslims despise their directives, and jews may be fighting for a promise that has already been broken.

If you want to get rid of israel, take all the religions with you.
The god of abraham is a hermeneutic fallacy/phallacy.

Beyond the religious paranoia to foreign policy, if isalami confined their sharia practices of madness to a sliver of land the size of israel, peace with them might be worth considering. Oherwise, the theocratic oligarthy is a societal perversion. And march onward!

It is astounding how libertarians that are also humanitarians cannot see an enemy in a group that despises the basic concepts of their liberty.
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Yes, many Christians in this country have become an arm of the Zionists. They are fear mongers of the worst kind. Always talking about how Muslims will take over the world if we don't keep attacking them. You can see it's nonsense from articles like the following, about the Jews living in Iran:

http://www.sephardicstudies.org/iran.html
If the Radical Muslims would like people to quit saying this "nonsense," then perhaps they should quit SAYING they are planning to take over the world. As the leader of Iran just recently did.

Hate to bring that up, but... what are we supposed to do? Chuckle and say "Oh that Abudamadinajadahookiemonster says that stuff all the time ha ha ha ha, don't worry about him! ha ha ha ha! He's just kidding! Kidding!"

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Default Admendinejah take over the world?

Did the Iranian leader actually say they were going to take over the world?
Mercy me, why would he want it and what would he do with it? Man, that's a lot of trouble! A real headache!!

I know the Zionist Jews want to be world rulers. They don't intend to do anything that would benefit mankind. Rather, they fancy themselves above everyone else. They seem to think they have some sort of divinity that the rest of the world does not have and therefore are gods. Hee Haw

The west has been sort of a world ruler because we are a High Culture and our inventions, science and technology are something that benefits all people. The way we look at things...a true leader does things that help humankind and not just egotistically rule over them.

At the moment, the Christian Zionists in the west are on the road to perdition.
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If you want to get rid of israel, take all the religions with you.
The god of abraham is a hermeneutic fallacy/phallacy.
Absolutely true. We agree 100%.

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Beyond the religious paranoia to foreign policy, if isalami confined their sharia practices of madness to a sliver of land the size of israel, peace with them might be worth considering. Oherwise, the theocratic oligarthy is a societal perversion. And march onward!

It is astounding how libertarians that are also humanitarians cannot see an enemy in a group that despises the basic concepts of their liberty.
I didn't say Islam was a friend to liberty. Not hardly. I've said that both sides are wrong. I can't root for either the Muslims or the Zionists. Religious fictions are fueling both of their delusions.

All I'm saying is, Zionism is the spark causing the majority of conflict in that region, and now around the world due to Bin Laden's Fatwa. Look, I'm a realist. I look at the history of Islam and see that the Sunnis and Shiites have fought for centuries. I say that we should get out of the region and let them continue their regional conflicts to their hearts' desire.

Regardless, Muslims are not as bad as they're portrayed to be by the Neoconservatives. I have friends living in Muslim communities in Indonesia. It's not paradise, but they're not threatened 24/7 with jihad and execution. They live pretty normal lives. All I can say is that it's funny how the Neocons can call Saddam the next Hitler, but when we were allied with him he was "a presentable young man" according to the official reports. Sorry if I can't trust their portrayals of other Arabs...
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Did the Iranian leader actually say they were going to take over the world?
Mercy me, why would he want it and what would he do with it? Man, that's a lot of trouble! A real headache!!
From Iranian TV, president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad:
If you want to have good relations with the Iranian people in the future, you should acknowledge the right and the might of the Iranian people, and you should bow and surrender to the might of the Iranian people. If you do not accept this, the Iranian people will force you to bow and surrender.

"We don't shy away from declaring that Islam is ready to rule the world."
-president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

"We must prepare ourselves to rule the world and the only way to do that is to put forth views on the basis of the Expectation of the Return,"
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I know the Zionist Jews want to be world rulers. They don't intend to do anything that would benefit mankind.
When have they said that or attempted it?

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Rather, they fancy themselves above everyone else. They seem to think they have some sort of divinity that the rest of the world does not have and therefore are gods. Hee Haw
Your remarks border on racist. They are easily extremist, and denegrating. However, IF you can demonize a group of people, it DOES become much easier to justify killing them. I will give you that.

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The west has been sort of a world ruler because we are a High Culture and our inventions, science and technology are something that benefits all people. The way we look at things...a true leader does things that help humankind and not just egotistically rule over them.
By "we" do you mean the West? If so, then based on what you said, you should oppose Mahmoud with every fiber of your being.

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At the moment, the Christian Zionists in the west are on the road to perdition.
If they support the nation of Israel, or the Republican party, or the Democratic Party, or whatever group over and above their own values and beliefs, then you are right.
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All I'm saying is, Zionism is the spark causing the majority of conflict in that region,
It amazes me that a nation which is NOT funding and sending suicide cells all over the world, is the target of such attacks, has had their own borders invaded and it's people killed and kidnapped, is getting blamed for the "majority of conflict in that region."

The Bin Laden's and the Iranian presidents of the world are not interested in anything short of the annihilation of an entire nation. I'm giving them the "majority" of the blame.

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Look, I'm a realist. I look at the history of Islam and see that the Sunnis and Shiites have fought for centuries. I say that we should get out of the region and let them continue their regional conflicts to their hearts' desire.
Be a realist then. Listen to their words. If we pull out of the region completely, the region will descend into a nuclear holocaust. How many millions are we willing to watch die, on either side, before we say to ourselves, "perhaps we could have done something?" I agree the situation sucks but the stakes in human life are incredible.

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Regardless, Muslims are not as bad as they're portrayed to be by the Neoconservatives. I have friends living in Muslim communities in Indonesia. It's not paradise, but they're not threatened 24/7 with jihad and execution. They live pretty normal lives. All I can say is that it's funny how the Neocons can call Saddam the next Hitler, but when we were allied with him he was "a presentable young man" according to the official reports. Sorry if I can't trust their portrayals of other Arabs...
Those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it. Just looking at the attacks that have been FOILED over the past 50 years, we should understand a certain minority of muslim extremism does indeed exist.
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sister ginna good post and yes the zionists are sly,crooked,cunning and shrewd and fight proxy wars and control america by proxy but sister there is nothing to be afraid but to be always beware.
u see i am only afraid of ALLAH because i commit sins and i am afraid that he may punish me but i know he is all merciful and will forgive me.
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sister ginna good post and yes the zionists are sly,crooked,cunning and shrewd and fight proxy wars and control america by proxy but sister there is nothing to be afraid but to be always beware.
u see i am only afraid of ALLAH because i commit sins and i am afraid that he may punish me but i know he is all merciful and will forgive me.
Racist and devoid of proof. You guys & gals are on a roll.

Man, I wish I could defend Christianity just by calling people names and repeating the same tired rhetoric over and over. Shoot, I usually try and come up with facts and stuff. What was I thinking?
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