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Old 10-04-2006, 05:54 PM
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Default The Israeli Spy Ring

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html

"Israel does not spy on the United States of America."
-- Mark Regev, a spokesman at the Israeli embassy in Washington
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Old 10-06-2006, 08:11 AM
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Guess Israel really does control the US. Read the story. The most amazing part is lack of any coroborating evidence. And the #1 question is ... WHY WOULD ISRAEL WANT TO DAMADGE THE US IF 10% OF IT'S BUDGET COMES FROM THE USofA ?!!!

Let's take a look at some of the highlights of this interesting piece of "journalism". All quotes are from the article ...

"Over the years, American taxpayers have been required to send Israel more than four times what the US spent to go to the moon."

I love it when they tell you what it's more than and yet not list what that something cost, like getting a man to the moon. How about this. All the aid to Israel over the years doesn't add up to one year in Iraq.

"Amdocs' main computer center for billing is actually in Israel and allows those with access to do what intelligence agencies call "traffic analysis"; a picture of someone's activities based on a pattern of who they are calling and when"

This is some serious spying !! Phone patterns. No proof is given even that this is being used. And if it is, don't you think the US government uses it's own network of secured lines. If this article knows about this, wouldn't the US government ?!!

"Comverse maintains its own connections to all this phone tapping equipment, insisting that it is for maintenance purposes only."

If I where a company with a lucrative contract like that, would I risk losing it if it was ever found out that I was listening in on conversations ? Again, if this article knows this, why wouldn't the US authorities ?!

"Converse has been named as the most likely source for leaked information regarding telephone calls by law enforcement that derailed several investigations into not only espionage, but drug running as well."

Named by who ?! You are telling me that espionage investigations are conducted on non-secure lines ? And that Israel is assisting drug dealers ? Of course I see no link etc, so it's kinda hard to coroborate.

"Two hours before the attacks on the World Trade Towers, Odigo employees received a warning. Odigo has an office 2 blocks from the former location of the World Trade Towers"

So all the employees are Israelis covering it up ?! I've never heard of any of them saying anything of the sort. You'd think at least one would. But no coroborating link etc yet again.

"When Jonathan Pollard stole our nuclear secrets (which your taxes paid to develop) and sent them to Israel, Israel did not hesitate to trade those secrets to the USSR in exchange for increased emigration quotas"

1st off the head of the Manhattan Project was Jewish. As was Einstein. And plenty of Nobel Lauriates in Physics. Somehow don't think we needed too much help w/ nucear technology. But more importantly, how do you know that Israel traded them with Russia. I am supposed to trust this articles word ?! In a moment we will get to a quote that has been proven never to have been uttered and yet this article uses it.

"billions of our tax dollars sent to Israel (while women and children sleep in America's alleys and eat out of trash bins)"

And billions to Arab counries etc etc etc. And since when is this article socialist ?!

"Even the White House phones were open to such tapping by listening in on the other end outside the White House itself."

So you are saying that the White House doesn't use secured lines ? And that even though this article knows that Israel can eavesdrop on White House conversations, it doesn't do anything to stop it ?!

"The Ken Starr report on Whitewater describes how Bill Clinton informed Monica Lewinsky that their phone sex conversations had been recorded."

Bill Clinton knew that Israel was tapping his line ?! I would love to see this part of the report. It actually says that Clinton knew that Israel was recording his conversations. Wow !! If you can show me this part of the Ken Starr report, I'll be amazed !!

"willing to use the information gleaned from those calls to blackmail Americans into any desired course of action."

So that's how 5 million Jews in a nation of 260+ million controls the country. We're blackmailing people. Must be blackmailing a lot of people since there is not an administration since 48 that has been anti-Israel.

"This may well be what Ariel Sharon meant when he stated that the Jewish people control America."

This was never even said and yet this article uses it. That's why I have so much trouble with the parts of the article that require us to accept things because it says so without bringing any proof or sources.
"Syndicated Columnist Georgie Anne Geyer Uses Fabricated Sharon Quote"
( http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_co...6&x_article=34 )
Great article. I think you'll like it.

"That the information gleaned from these phone taps is being used to coerce the behavior of key individuals in the US Government and media is illustrated by the manner in which the government and the media have handled this scandal of the largest spy ring ever uncovered inside the United States"

So this article's proof that this major spying is in fact going on is that the government and media have said nothing about it. Nobody aknowledges it so it must be true ?! That's the worst logic I've ever heard. maybe they aren't all over it because there is nothing to be all over !!

"CNN followed by "Orwellizing" their report of the two hour advance warning of the WTC attacks sent to Odigo employees"

Not exactly sure what "Orwellizing" would imply here. And I have yet to see this warning. I will say this though. I have 3 friends who worked in the WTC. 2 hold Israeli passports. All 3 are alive today because of the timing of the crashes so early in the morning. None received a warning.

"Fox News report that hard evidence existed linking the events of 9/11 not to Arab Muslims, but to some of the more than 200 Israeli spies arrested both before and after 9/11, but that this evidence had been CLASSIFIED."

I would love to see this evidence !! And you do realize that the US would have had to be in on the attacks and cover up. But I guess you are right. The fact that Al Jazeera just released another tape clearly being Bin Laden taking credit for the attacks and the fact that the head hijacker left a suicide video recording as many Jihadists do, means nothing.

"all mention of the Israeli spy ring and phone tapping scandal has resulted in a barrage of shrill screams of "hate" and "anti-Semite"

I'm not screaming anything of the sort. I will say that this site is incredibly one sided, provides zero in the way of proof, and uses fabricated quotes. It's not anti-semitism, but it certainly is propaganda !!

"The story of the uncovering of the largest spy ring ever discovered inside the United States should be the story of the century"

And yet it isn't. Let me guess ... Israel controls the media. Maybe it's just not a coroborateable story. Lord knows their was no issue arresting and sentencing Jonathan Polard. Why didn't Israel blackmail him out ?!!

"That this spy ring helped drug smugglers evade investigators should be a major scandal"

The first time this article mentions this assistance of drug smugglers, they say an Israeli company was named as the likely suspect. Now it's Israel and it's a fact that it helps these narco-runners. Such bad bad journalism. Yellow comes to mind.

"That the spy ring includes companies able to track and tap into any phone in America, including the White House, should be a cause celebre"

Yet it's not. Making because implying that the White House doesn't use secure lines would make you sound just a bit goofy.

"The actions of the US media are those of people trying to protect this spy ring and those that the spy ring worked for."

Now why would Rupert Murdoch (Australian non Jewish gabazilionare owner of Fox) and Ted Turner (CNN's nn Jewish Mouth of the South) want to do that ??
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Old 10-10-2006, 05:09 PM
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"WHY WOULD ISRAEL WANT TO DAMADGE THE US....."

Money. More advantage. More of everything it already gets -- more, on top of the heap it already rakes in year after year. Jews can NEVER get enough. Their greed is LEGION and insatiable. We are all lowly 'fryors' in their eyes, just begging to get ripped off, due to our natural stupidity.

"IF 10% OF IT'S BUDGET COMES FROM THE USofA ?!!!

Yeah, right. Try A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN A MEASELY 10%. America has bankrolled Israel right down to the last handful of useless dirt it sits upon.
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For all your moaning about foreign aid it might be interesting to note that ...
"USA’s aid, in terms of percentage of their GNP has almost always been lower than any other industrialized nation in the world, though paradoxically since 2000, their dollar amount has been the highest. (Only since 2004 have they move up from last place, by one.)"
( http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp )
So chill. The US isn't being driven to bankrupcy by foreign aid !!

And as for the claim that the US writes Israel a blank check ...
"Furthermore, the U.S. and Israel have agreed on a plan where aid is in fact going down each year. It was reduced by $60 million two years ago, by $120 million last year, and by $180 million this year. So it's already being looked at in terms of its concrete value to Israel and to the United States."
( http://www.meforum.org/article/63 )
Looks like that's bunk too.

And just for the record .. it's between 10% & 13% of Israel's GNP. You just like to think that without you we wouldn't survive. That's not at all the case.
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