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Old 01-02-2007, 10:57 AM
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Default David Irving: Jews should ask themselves why they are hated

http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/804622.html

Holocaust denier David Irving on Friday said Jews should ask themselves why they have been hated throughout history.

"They [Jews] should ask themselves the question, 'Why have they been so hated for 3000 years that there has been pogrom after pogrom in country after country?', said Irving, speaking at a press conference he convened in England on Friday, a day after he was released from an Austrian prison.

Irving, who was sentenced to three years in prison for denying the Holocaust, was released last week after his appeal was granted.

Asked if he sees himself as anti-Semitic, Irving said, "No, I like to think I am not."

But immediately following his answer, Irving expressed his support for Mel Gibson's comments that "The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world."

Irving also took pride in the success of his books and claimed that he the fortune he made from sales of his biography on World War II German General Erwin Rommel enabled him to walk into a car showroom with a paper bag stuffed with cash to buy a "(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) brown Rolls-Royce."

Irving's comments aroused great anger within Britain's Jewish community.

Lord Janner, president of the Holocaust Educational Trust, said Irving's release was "unwarranted" and that Irving's "latest comments were totally to be expected and should be totally ignored."

Ephraim Zuroff, director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Israel, said Irving's behavior since his release in evidence that he should have remained in prison.

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Are Jews really hated all that much by rational people these days?
Frankly I think it's more that neo-nazis and these "white nationalists" should ask themselves why it is nobody buys their crap?
Maybe you should ask yourself why you hate Jews.
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Jews dont ask themselves that because they arent hated by anyone that matters.

No one cares what racists think because they are an insignificant minority, and will likely remain so indefinitely. Along with the people who think the moon landings were faked and that aliens control the government.

The only people that hate them that matter are the Muslims, and their reasons are well known.
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I don't hate Jews. Never really give them much of a thought, actually.

When your post begins with "Holocaust denier....." it's kind of hard to take it seriously.
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"They [Jews] should ask themselves the question, 'Why have they been so hated for 3000 years that there has been pogrom after pogrom in country after country?', said Irving, speaking at a press conference he convened in England on Frid
Regardless of who's asking it, it's a legitimate question.

Is it just a world-wide irrational hatred reserved exclusively for the Jews? Or has it stemmed from something cultural that they're doing? Could it be from a history of the following behavior? This is from the Magna Carta:

10. If one who has borrowed from the Jews any sum, great or small, die before that loan can be repaid, the debt shall not bear interest while the heir is under age, of whomsoever he may hold; and if the debt fall into our hands, we will not take anything except the principal sum contained in the bond.

11. And if any one die indebted to the Jews, his wife shall have her dower and pay nothing of that debt; and if any children of the deceased are left underage, necessaries shall be provided for them in keeping with the holding of the deceased; and out of the residue the debt shall be paid, reserving, however,service due to feudal lords; in like manner let it be done touching debts due to others than Jews.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/mcarta.html

Looks like the Jews were taking all the money from the estates of debtors who had died, and leaving their spouses or children "out in the cold". The Magna Carta established protections for debtors. Anyway, not a nice legacy for the Jewish money lenders... There was a strong dislike towards Jews in this regard, since they willingly and happily served as money lenders in Europe since it was considered evil by the Christian authorities and Christians were forbidden by law from lending money. If you come into a situation as a minority and take up an occupation seen as a "sin" by the majority - chances are that will create a lot of resentment towards you.
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I don't hate Jews.
I don't either, but I don't like the Zionists. Right now, I think a lot of the perceived resentment against Jews is really resentment against Zionists. The Zionists just use the anti-semitism charge to attack anyone who questions their policies and turn the debate into a racial issue.

And some Jews don't like the Zionists...

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Not much...the main hatred of them was "solved" by Hitler.


"Rational People these days" target Christians.
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Are Jews really hated all that much by rational people these days?
Unfortunately, yes they are. In Europe and in virtually all muslim lands Jews are still hated with varying degrees of sophistication.

To the question why, I beleive it is quite simply a historical reaction to having a group of people declaring themselves "god's people" and the rest of mankind goyim (which beleive me, is not a compliment). It is bound to ruffle feathers. TB has brought up specific historical charges that have arisen out the roles that Jews played as moneylenders for instance. It must be remembered that Jews began playing such roles historically because they were considered inferior trades. In fact, the OT is generally oppossed to usury (at least in terms of inter-Judaic trade). So while this might partially explain some of the contempt that has developed over the years it in no way fully tells the story. After all, ethnic Chinese are hated in Malaysia for similiar economic reasons but this phenomenon has never experienced the same widespread acceptance that antisemitism has. Again, it is reactionary outcome against an explicitly biggoted beleif system which explains the hatred.

The irony is that for most Jews the ancient way of thinking is dead while for much of Europe and islam it remains a basic axiom.
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I don't hate Jews. Never really give them much of a thought, actually.

When your post begins with "Holocaust denier....." it's kind of hard to take it seriously.
If you had read the article, you would see that 88punx was only quoting how the writer identified Mr. Irving, a standard journalistic technique used to bring the uninformed up to speed on the subject of the article -- Mr. Irving, in this case. I would assume that he is a 'holocaust denier'.
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I don't hate Jews. Never really give them much of a thought, actually.

When your post begins with "Holocaust denier....." it's kind of hard to take it seriously.
...your post kind of hints at anti-semetic sentiments.
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