Jewish groups angry over remark by general Clark.

Catholic · #1 (**permalink**) 01-12-2007, 04:22 PM

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About those saying Israel is the one pushing America to war against Iran, ADL chief says “It’s Not Just David Duke Anymore"

Presidential contender’s comments about Israel lobby lead to fears that ‘conspiracy theories’ are going mainstream.

Here is an excerpt from an article on January 12, 2007 from the largest Jewish publication in America, The Jewish Week. It concerns Gen. Wesley Clark’s comments about Jewish money pushing the politicians into a war against Iran, a war that would be catastrophically damaging to the true interests of America. Once again, it shows how Dr. David Duke has been in the lead on this critical issue facing America

…On Tuesday Clark, responding to an angry call from Anti-Defamation League Director Abraham Foxman, issued a statement expressing his opposition to “conspiracy theories" about the war in Iraq.

Still, the controversy was already providing fresh ammunition for Jewish Republicans —and worrying Jewish leaders who fear that the war in Iraq and the confrontation with Iran are resulting in the spread of conspiracy theories about Jewish influence beyond a radical fringe.

In her online column last week, blogger Arianna Huffington reported on an encounter with Clark at a brunch preceding the swearing in of Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) as House speaker.

Clark, she reported, was “really angry" about a column suggesting that former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was “leading the charge" in lobbying for U.S. air strikes against Iran in 2007.

Clark, who advocates negotiations with Iran, expressed concern about what he believes is an administration plan to take military action against that country’s nuclear facilities.

When asked how he knew the administration was planning an attack, he said this: “You just have to read what’s in the Israeli press. The Jewish community is divided but there is so much pressure being channeled from the New York money people to the office seekers."

That set off alarms in Jewish groups across the country.

Foxman, after a conversation with Clark this week, said the retired general “didn’t deny that he said it, but said it wasn’t what he meant."

The ADL leader told Clark that he had “bought into conspiratorial bigotry" that increasingly sees Israel, Jews and American Jewish organizations as the driving force behind U.S. involvement in Iraq and Iran.

Foxman said Clark’s comments are particularly worrisome because of the context, coming in the wake of charges by former President Jimmy Carter that Jewish groups are stifling debate over U.S. Mideast policy and a book by former U.N. weapons inspector Scott Ritter, who accused Israel of pushing for war with Iran.

And they come as the critique of the pro-Israel lobby by two respected foreign policy scholars, who claim that the lobby pressed for war with Iraq, gains traction in academic circles.

“While we know [Clark] is a good friend of Israel and is not an anti-Semite, he still engaged in inappropriate language by talking about how Israel and Jewish money will move this country to war on Iran," Foxman said. “At a time when Jews are being accused of bringing about the war in Iraq, that’s very disturbing. We know this is not the real Clark — but he said it. We’re worried because these ideas seem to be moving into the mainstream. It’s not just David Duke anymore…"

Also there is this quote from Har’ retz Newspaper in Israel:

Zev Chafets, my last week’s dialog partner, wrote about Clark for the L.A. Times that his words represent “a variation on the increasingly brazen charge that disloyal neocon Jews tricked the U.S. into Iraq on orders from Jerusalem - a theory propounded not only by Arab propagandists and academic Zionist-lobby-spotters such as professor Stephen Walt of Harvard, professor John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago and David Duke of the Ukrainian Interregional Academy of Personnel Management, but by many “progressive" Democrats and Buchananite Republicans."

Well, like the title already suggests, it's not just Dr. Duke anymore who claims that the Israeli/Jewish lobby was the main driving force behind the invasion of Iraq, it's an increasingly accepted truth among all sorts of intellectuals.

Fact of the matter is, the neocon inner circle responsible for "marketing" the Iraq war was almost 100% Jewish. Most of them (although formally American) lead lives as if they were citizens of another nation. They seemed generally uninterested in domestic issues, social issues didn't bother them, monetary issues didn't bother them, crime didn't bother them. All they cared about was a foreign entity: Israel. The bulk of their life's work was about keeping Israel's interests safe.

And you know, in the article there is a mention of the director of a Jewish organization calling general Clark and explaining to him how irrational it is to assume that Jews were/are banging the war drums. But is it really that irrational? Isn't it just empirical common sense? I mean, even senator Lieberman who is a pacifist leftist, turns into a hawk when it comes to Iran and Syria.

http://www.davidduke.com/general/poi...more_1665.html

GinnaRM · #2 (**permalink**) 01-18-2007, 05:06 PM

More and more people are seeing the hands of the Jews in the war with Iraq and Iran.

Actually, they were the ones who pushed pro-German American public into war with Germany in World War II.

Let me tell you a nuclear war is nothing to sneeze about and that is what we will probably get if we don't get off this Jewish space ship flying us into a holocaust by fire - Armageddon.

abu-afak · #3 (**permalink**) 01-18-2007, 05:31 PM

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More and more people are seeing the hands of the Jews in the war with Iraq and Iran.

Actually, they were the ones who pushed pro-German American public into war with Germany in World War II.

Let me tell you a nuclear war is nothing to sneeze about and that is what we will probably get if we don't get off this Jewish space ship flying us into a holocaust by fire - Armageddon.

Actually less and less people are parroting the anti-semitic Lie that Iraq was the 'Jews War' than they were a few years ago. One hardly hears that crap any more as everyone can see it was Bush's problem since he came to office.
Perhaps your Klan friends say it more.
Btw, they asked me to tell you to wear Clean sheets next time.

GinnaRM · #4 (**permalink**) 01-18-2007, 06:48 PM

abu-afak, you spend a lot of time defending the Jews. It won't do you any good. More and more people are catching on to who is pulling the strings.

We don't want war. We don't like war. We are not war mongers. We should never have gotten mixed up with war mongers. If we had known they were warmongers; if we had not been so stupid as to believe their lies that they are the Chosen we would not be in this mess. That is what stupidity does. We believed the lies about these blood suckers being the Chosen and we believed the lies about the holocaust - two of the biggest lies in human history.
The holocaust was the most profitable in history....so profitable, in fact, it is called the "Holocaust Industry." They made billions off the so-called holocaust and are still making millions. Pretty good PR. But stupidity allowed it. We have been stupid!

abu-afak · #5 (**permalink**) 01-18-2007, 07:03 PM

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abu-afak, you spend a lot of time defending the Jews. It won't do you any good. More and more people are catching on to who is pulling the strings.

You're right Ginna, I'll change my tune to yours ...and go for expulsion .. or maybe Gassing!

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We don't want war. We don't like war. We are not war mongers. We should never have gotten mixed up with war mongers. If we had known they were warmongers; if we had not been so stupid as to believe their lies that they are the Chosen we would not be in this mess. That is what stupidity does. We believed the lies about these blood suckers being the Chosen and we believed the lies about the holocaust - two of the biggest lies in human history.
The holocaust was the most profitable in history....so profitable, in fact, it is called the "Holocaust Industry." They made billions off the so-called holocaust and are still making millions. Pretty good PR. But stupidity allowed it. We have been stupid!

Actually you hillbilly Bigot Trash..
80% of Jews voted against Bush and Cheney in 2000, and 80% Voted against him again in 2004 after he started the War.
Jews are dispropionately Liberal and anti-war.
It wasn't until the Clinton Jews (Albright, Cohen, Ruben) LEFT the whitehouse than no sooner do those Bush Christians in charge (Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, and Rice, .. not a Pat-Roberston Christian Zionist among them either) start a war.

You are one despicable POS and not even a Coherent anti-semite
After reading your posts, I'm changing from pro-life to pro-choice.
Or better yet Forced sterilization.

It's so rare to see a knuckle-dragging drueling Jew-Hater like you anymore.. most are more PC 'antizionists'.

Chris Rock: [Aside from the big cities] America is just bunch of Broke-Ass white people, livin in trailers, and f---in their sisters.

ashleykennedy · #6 (**permalink**) 01-19-2007, 10:25 AM

George Bush, Tony Blair, Ahmed Chalabi, Donal Rumsfeld, Dick Cheyney, which ones are Jews? Those are the people responsible for the Iraqi debacle. Now had you said Oil then you could make a case.

You could even make a case for Iran, as Chalabi's head of security was found later to be an Iranian spy.

There may be a Jewish lobby in America but Chalabi was at the centre not the Jewish lobby groups and Christians were in charge.

Don't blame "Jews" for the mistakes made by "Christians."

GinnaRM · #7 (**permalink**) 01-19-2007, 04:36 PM

I don't excuse Christians involved in this mess. I am disgusted to death with Evangelical Christianity that supports George Bush and Israel regardless what happens to anyone or anything. The idiocy of their idol worship is mind-boggling. Those well meaning fools can't see the forest for the trees.

Belief is stronger than the Truth to those people. Yet, Jesus Christ was Truth in the flesh. Christ plainly said Truth would set us free. Evangelicals don't care. They are blind to the truth. They think their "belief" is truth and if you try to tell them anything different they think you may be crazy.

Don't think that "puppets" and "figure heads" or "mouth pieces" are our leaders just because they seem to be in the positions of power. Money and media reign. Money and media are the real power in this country because they control the only information people get. Those Zionists scoundrels sit in their boardrooms across the world and decide what the American public will or will not know and use any lie or propaganda to advance their One-World-government with themselves as the ruling elite. (They are the actual ones responsible for the war with Iraq.)

We can't do a thing about it. We don't control any channels of public information to tell the public the real truth; we don't even have access to rebuttal. Except for the Internet!

ashleykennedy · #8 (**permalink**) 01-20-2007, 07:00 PM

Israel population 6.3 Million

USA population 298.4 Million

USA loans/Aid to Israel and so the US has the economic muscle.

And you purport that Israel is running the US?

Are you suggesting that Jews have been taught Hypnotism from an early age or some other mystic power perhaps??? I know Yuri Geller use to do mind bending on spoons but that was a conjurers trick it wasn’t real.

Any lobby group can ask for actions or try to put a plan of action in the political arena but it still takes the men at the top to decide what to do. If you decide that Bush and the republicans are not able to formulate their own plans then vote the republicans out. Don’t blame a lobby group for the mistakes made by a bad president.

Janglo · #9 (**permalink**) 01-24-2007, 04:18 AM

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More and more people are seeing the hands of the Jews in the war with Iraq and Iran.

And here we go again with the same question in yet another post. This is getting old G. Why would Israel want to overthrow a moderate Bathist Muslem leader who is keeping a Shiite majority country in check ... a country that acts as a buffer between Iran and Israel ?! You never answer the question and yet you keep repeating the statement. Iran i could understand, and maybe Syria. But why Iraq andAfghanistan ?!

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Actually, they were the ones who pushed pro-German American public into war with Germany in World War II.

The public wasn't pro-German, they where seperationists. They, understandabely, didn't want to get involved after WW1 and it's catastrophic toll on the nation. And it wasn't the US that declared war on Germany, they declared war on the US. This might help ...
http://www.worldwariihistory.info/WW...ed-States.html

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if we don't get off this Jewish space ship flying us into a holocaust by fire - Armageddon.

Now the Jews are flying spaceships. Wasn't there a show Jews In Space ?

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abu-afak, you spend a lot of time defending the Jews. It won't do you any good. More and more people are catching on to who is pulling the strings.

I love marionettes

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We don't want war. We don't like war. We are not war mongers. We should never have gotten mixed up with war mongers.

ROFL !!!! Are you serious ?!!! Vietnam, Korea, Gulf War 1 & current, Several Latin American countries, etc. that's not to mention black operations like installing puppet governments like the Sha of Iran etc. You are out of your bloody gord !! The US is one of the most prolific war participants on the planet.

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if we had not been so stupid as to believe their lies that they are the Chosen we would not be in this mess. That is what stupidity does. We believed the lies about these blood suckers being the Chosen and we believed the lies about the holocaust - two of the biggest lies in human history.

When exactly is it that we told you that we are the chosen ones ?! What exactly is the lie regarding the holocaust ?! My dead great grandparents would like to know. I thaught the 2 biggest lies where "the check is in the mail" and "I won't XXX in your mouth".

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Originally Posted by GinnaRM";p=&quot

The holocaust was the most profitable in history....so profitable, in fact, it is called the "Holocaust Industry."

Yes, we let them kill a third of the world's Jewery for money. And as for it being called the "holocaust industry" ... that's what you and your kind call it. We certainly don't call it that.

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They made billions off the so-called holocaust and are still making millions.

How much is your life worth in $ terms Ginna. There are monetary compensations for victims of crime in the US, yet I don't here you saying peep about that. If you look at holocaust reperations as a per capita issue, I bet it pails in comparison to a wrongful death suit. Your just mad that people have to pay for killing Jews. That should be free.

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We have been stupid!

At least we agree that you are stupid. Your posts have been getting more and more wack. You're out of your bloody gord I tell ya.

Janglo · #10 (**permalink**) 01-24-2007, 09:11 AM

The original post states ...

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About those saying Israel is the one pushing America to war against Iran, ADL chief says “It’s Not Just David Duke Anymore"

And where does this come from ...

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http://www.davidduke.com/general/poi...more_1665.html

So it's not just David Duke anymore, yet it's from his website. OK

Isn't it David Duke that was just in Iran for the anti-holocaust conference. So he has ties to the Iranian government where he is a welcome guest. Conflict of interest ? Nahhh .. of course not.

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