U.S. drafts Holocaust denial resolution

88punx · #1 (**permalink**) 01-24-2007, 12:49 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070122/...locaust_denial

The jews keep at it. This clearly violates our first amendment. And like david duke said, if its such a proven fact then why imprison those for questioning it? Ill tell you, because the facts about it are lies.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+germany&hl=en

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UNITED NATIONS - The United States has drafted a U.N. resolution condemning
the denial of the Holocaust, a spokesman said Monday, a month after
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widespread anger by holding a conference casting doubt on the Nazi genocide of
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According
to a copy of the draft made available to The Associated Press, the proposed
resolution urges all member states to "reject any denial of the Holocaust,"
saying that "ignoring the historical fact of these terrible events increases the
risk they will be repeated."
The draft resolution "condemns without any
reservation any denial of the Holocaust," but doesn't single out any specific
country for criticism. The U.S. said it planned to circulate the draft to
General Assembly members on Monday.
The December conference in Tehran
gathered 67 writers and researchers from 30 countries, most of whom argue that
either the Holocaust did not happen or that it was vastly exaggerated. It was
backed by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has called the Holocaust a
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Richard Grenell, spokesman for the U.S. mission to the
U.N., said the draft resolution was being circulated ahead of the U.N.'s
International Day of Commemoration in memory of victims of the Holocaust on Jan.
27.
He said its purpose was to "make perfectly clear that denying or
minimizing the importance of the Holocaust is unacceptable to the U.N.
membership." It was targeted toward "any country, organization or individuals"
who would act in such a way, he said, without naming any country
specifically.
Gilad Cohen, a counselor in the Israeli mission, referred
indirectly to the Iran conference, saying "these incidents cannot be ignored any
longer."
"This is a matter for the U.N. to say loud and clear, 'Enough is
enough,'" he said. "Iran is wanting to have nuclear weapons and deny the
Holocaust. This is something nobody should accept."
The spokesman for the
Iranian mission to the U.N. did not immediately return a phone call seeking
comment.
Iran has been locked in a long-running dispute with the U.S. and its
allies over its nuclear program, which Washington maintains is geared toward
developing atomic weapons. Iran says its program is purely for peaceful
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Sadistic-Savior · #2 (**permalink**) 01-24-2007, 12:59 PM

BFD...as long as it isnt a US law, I dont really care. The "resolution", like most UN resolutions, has no consequences attached to it anyway.

It is not illegal to deny the Holocaust in the US, and that is unlikely to change. It is only the backwards white nations of Europe that have made it a crime.

Sadistic-Savior · #3 (**permalink**) 01-24-2007, 01:01 PM

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This clearly violates our first amendment.

uh...HOW?

How does this affect Americans at all?

DuH2 · #4 (**permalink**) 01-24-2007, 01:43 PM

It a resolution aimed at condeming the remarks of the President of Iran and his denial of the holocaust. Not what you seem to be implying.

IF it was a resolution in Congress and a movement towards making Holocaust Denial a crime in the USA then I'd agree with you...but its not...its a UN resoltuion on how to treat such asshats as the current President of Iran.

Sadistic-Savior · #5 (**permalink**) 01-24-2007, 01:49 PM

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IF it was a resolution in Congress and a movement towards making Holocaust Denial a crime in the USA then I'd agree with you...

Ironically, so would I.

Although I am sure racists in America would LOVE to see a holocaust denial law passed in the US. Then they could legitimately whine about being "victims".

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but its not...its a UN resoltuion on how to treat such asshats as the current President of Iran.

Not only that, but it appears to be empty as well, just like pretty much every other resolution the UN has passed.

What exactly are the consequences for denying the Holocaust? Another angry letter from the UN? heh heh

EiregoSod · #6 (**permalink**) 01-25-2007, 05:43 AM

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BFD...as long as it isnt a US law, I dont really care. The "resolution", like most UN resolutions, has no consequences attached to it anyway.

It is not illegal to deny the Holocaust in the US, and that is unlikely to change. It is only the backwards white nations of Europe that have made it a crime.

wouldn't be the first time when the "forward and advanced" USA demands morals from others that the USA itself cannot live upto.

liberalman · #7 (**permalink**) 01-25-2007, 07:08 AM

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Let me guess your one of those *PERSONAL ATTACK REMOVED PER TERMS OF USE AGREEMENT. CONTINUING TO ATTACK OTHER USERS BY NAME CALLING WILL EVENTUALLY RESULT IN BEING BANNED FROM THIS SITE.
who claim the same thing that Iran claimed.....

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http://www.politicalforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=4745

liberalman · #8 (**permalink**) 01-25-2007, 07:54 AM

Here I will try and be nicer.....

So are you one of those holocaust deniers who revise history on a regular basis to suit your own twisted ideological bent?

Between this post, the one where you claim that uber sailors from Europe colonized America before the ancestors of native americans I begin to wonder if you are not a member of one of those racist splinter groups....ie domestic terrorists....that preach hatred for minorities and hide it behind the "minuteman" sticker on your pick up truck.

OR

Are you just playing devils advocate and really do not believe this kind of drivel?

Janglo · #9 (**permalink**) 01-25-2007, 09:13 AM

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wouldn't be the first time when the "forward and advanced" USA demands morals from others that the USA itself cannot live upto.

This isn't a US draft, it's a UN draft. What does this have to do with US morales ? Nothing.

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It a resolution aimed at condeming the remarks of the President of Iran and his denial of the holocaust. Not what you seem to be implying.

And why does he deny the holocaust ? Why does he give a rat's behind about killing of Jews some 60 years ago ? Because he would have us believe that Israel was created as a result of the holocaust. This is not true, as the British where prepared to partition Trans-Jordan way back in 1917. But truth usually doesn't deter idiots. And yes, Irans Pres is an idiot.

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The jews keep at it. This clearly violates our first amendment. And like david duke said, if its such a proven fact then why imprison those for questioning it? Ill tell you, because the facts about it are lies.

Fact is that there is overwhelming evidence that this happened. From both Nazi records and Jewish survivors. It's just that the click you are in refuses to aknowledge any because it's hellbent on changing the facts of history. The part that I don't understand is why ? What do you care if Hitler ordered the extermination of the Jews in areas controlled by the Nazis ? It's not like his name is great except for this part. He was a scumbag. Is it so that you can say that Jews lie ? Well, you say that anyway. And it's not just Jews that say that the holocaust happened, it's just about every historian out there. More importantly, Germany says that it happened. So the accused admits to comiting the crime (which I applaud them for) while you deny. I think I'll take their word for it over yours anyday.

nawbut · #10 (**permalink**) 01-25-2007, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by EiregoSod";p=&quot

wouldn't be the first time when the "forward and advanced" USA demands morals from others that the USA itself cannot live upto.

This isn't a US draft, it's a UN draft. What does this have to do with US morales ? Nothing.

The opening post clearly states that it is a US draft of a UN resolution. What does it have to do with US - as drafters, quite a bit, as it is reasonable to presume that as drafters they will sponsor its adoption. Closer to 'everything' than 'nothing'.

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