Britain in General is not anti-Israel. It is however pro-Palestinian. There is a subtle difference. It is saying it's about time Israel recognised it's own border and stayed behind it's borders and leave the palestinians to get on with their own life. The nice part is that the Palestinians don't depend on you or anyone else to dictate to them what's right or fair or theirs.

7 July bombers are dead. and so play no part of the 664. But if you want in will now be 21 out of 668. So what do you think the Irish guys want? This may shock you but they were mainly Loyalist terrorists not republican.

The nearest recognised non-Christian court is in Manchester and surprisingly it's Jewish.

In that respect I follow Freud, all religious people are neurotics with serious problems.

Only in the Middle east region which is hardy surprising since the population is mainly Muslim. tamils, Farc and all those south American groups (some extreme right some left), China with Falun gong.

How many Jews were massacred in Deir Yassin?

No. I mean the Partition line as agreed by the Jewish organisations, because as the Jewish organisations agreed to partition (according to Israeliphile web sites) they [the Israeli's] would obviously only gone as far as the Partition borders, wouldn't they?

I want a government to appease me. The UK government is a Parliamentary Democracy, there is a difference Parliament has the democracy, we the voters don't get much say in Governmental affairs. I want the Government to be scared of voters, it would make them listen to us more.

No, the demographic time bomb. Direct confrontation, legal challenges and breed like rabbits.

More National Socialist. Slightly left but authoritarian.

Janglo have a look more closely at the Hebron massacre and who the victims were. You may see things about cause and effect that may surprise you.

Live with the minor differences all you want. England is the only non-Muslem country with a intelectual boycott of Israel. So spout off all you want about minor differences, but at this point you have double talked enough for me to ignore your view on England being fair and balanced on the issue. Face it, the BBC is flagrently on the side of the man on the Palestinian street. You can split hairs all you want, but we both know that England is Arab-phile. If it helps you sleep at night, tell yourself whatever you want. Just don't be surprised when we ignore you.

So no matter how many times I show you articles stating that Hamas and most Palestinians have no intention of accepting those borders, you insist that you know better. But it suits you well to blame Israel. Why is it that I believe Hamas that the pre 67 border is merely phase 1 in it's plan to ultimately destroy Israel, but you don't ?!

Like returning hundreds of thousands of supposed refugees to Israel proper ?! LOL. Who are you kidding ?

Thank you. So these #s are skewed. At least you don't pretend that they wheren't Muslems. Yet you have no problems in your country with orthodox following of Islam. Once again .. who are you kidding ? And you are telling me how to deal with Islam. Fat chance.

Not sure precisely what "loyalist" or "republican" means so it's hard to be shocked. I would be shocked however if they attempted to blow up the tube twice, once successfully.

OK. So you have a Jewish court in Manchester, which isn't far from Stoke on Trent. I don't recall Jewish courts ever levying extra taxes on non-Jews for "protection" while under Jewish control. Now try saying that about Sharia courts. Like I said, enjoy your time Dhimmi.

You really go out of your way to not see Islam. If you consider the Middle East to be Australia, Polinesia, India, Africa, Chian (yes they have issues with Islam), Russia, the US (9-11 & other plots), etc etc etc, then you are correct.

Like I said, you don't distinguih between religions. You see this as a virtue. I assure you it's not. Not only is it silly, it's dangerous.

None. What's your point ? Do you realize that the Hebron slaughter of Jews who had been living in peace with their Arab neighbors occured in 1929 and Deir Yassin happened in 1948 ? So which came 1st ?! You make it sound like Jews came in as terrorists. You know this isn't true. You know that the "Hagana" was formed to protect Jewish farms. Yet it helps you sleep at night thinking your way. Well, whatever floats your boat.

Not if you are attacked. All bets are off. But not in your mind. In your mind Israel should always give back every inch until we lose. I wonder how much preasure you would put on the Arab States to stay on their side of the line. Somehow I think they would flip you the bird much in the same way as Israel flips it to you now. You literally are incapable of fathoming the mentality of the ME, so most of your rosy thaughts about right and wrong simply fall on deaf ears on both sides of this argument.

Agreed. However, it's as close to perfect as you're gonna get. I spent many years in the USA and it was the same issue. Be glad you don't live under sharia you Dhimmi female.

Maybe this is where the other Arab Muslem countries can accept some immigrants. The Palestinians are after all Arab Muslems for the very most part. Israel certainly accepts all Jews. Those that these Arab States kicked out around 1948 etc. Israel is not responsible for irrational irresponsible breeding habbits. I wish them all the best on their side.

You are really comparing Lieberman with Hamas ?!!

I'm looking. All I see is Muslem leader says Jews insult Islam, next thing you know rabbis are being castrated, women raped, and Jews who had been living peacefully as neighbors, being killed in the streets. The massacre lasted 3 days. Where where the Brits through all this again ?!

The more we talk the more I realize that Israel is on 110% the right course. It could be 120%, but we do F up sometimes. However, overall i realize that those advocating the 48 line etc have no clue about the geography of the area, the demographics, the history, the nature of Islam, the political players, or the mentality in the area. I deal a lot more realistically with Islam than you will ever allow yourself to admit. I wish you luck in GB. You will need it.

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And Israel is the non-Muslim country that closes Muslim schools, which is a bit more direct than an intellectual boycott.

Me I say the 47 Borders.

Like returning hundreds of thousands of supposed refugees to Israel proper ?! LOL. Who are you kidding ?

http://www.channel4.com/news/article...l+4+doc/660952

Looks like you are not the only one to try to make something out of nothing.

loyalist = pro UK. Republican = pro-republic of Ireland

OK. So you have a Jewish court in Manchester, which isn't far from Stoke on Trent. I don't recall Jewish courts ever levying extra taxes on non-Jews for "protection" while under Jewish control. Now try saying that about Sharia courts. Like I said, enjoy your time Dhimmi.

I just do not see Islam as the only source of tensions in the world. Nor the biggest.

Looking in only one place, that's a a bit myopic.

Actually the Mizrahim that were living in Hebron in 29 didn't get massacred. It was the ashkenzic new-comers that were causing the tensions that got attacked.

Aye there's the rub. You insist that Israel was attacked, it wasn't. King Abdullah stuck to the done deal and kept his forces under control (Arab League, he commanded Iraq, Jordan, lebanese, etc.) and in the Arab partition area.

Male.

Not according to their DNA. They are like the Lebanese, a distinct people.

Yep both are extremists. Goes to Kakh, Daniel Pipes and all those other.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/890981.html

There you go thinking that all Jews are the same again. Read the British report on the Hebron massacre. It's in the UN records comes under UNISPAL, use dates to go down the list. There are some really interesting documents in there.

http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/vDateDoc!OpenView

http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/38bed104db074b49052565e70054eb22!OpenDocument

http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/59a92104ed00dc468525625b00527fea!OpenDocument

http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/e3ed8720f8707c9385256d19004f057c!OpenDocument

That's funny. My Arab friends here go to school. Some even to Israeli Universitys on scholarships. But that's not really the issue being discussed. So why is England the only non-Muslem country calling for an academic boycott of Israel. You are incapable of discerning between religions and refuse to aknowledge that England is certainly Anti-Israel (and yes, so is the BBC) and has had a horrible record with Jews in General.

Somehow I knew you would. Not that there where any. The UN did not designate any officially before Israel was attacked.

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So channel 4 in the UK is (*)(*)(*)(*)e. And ? In my neighborhood the kids in many Palestinian schools will gladly tell the horendous things they are taught to believe quite proudly. Besides which, chanel 4 apparently went to mainstream mosques as stated in article. They realy are dumber than a box of rocks.

Yes. Ignore the part about Muslems attempting to blow the tube up twice, once successfully. Not to mention the rest of the attempted crazines like the engulfed truck in the airport trick.

OK. All I said originally is that it's a huge factor in why there is not going to be peace betwean Israel and the Palestinians anytime soon. Whereas Jordan and Egypt vehemently put down the orthodox Muslem militancy that would erupt into attacks on Israel, no Palestinian leader yet has made any indication that they'd be as vigilant. Therefor, Islam is a HUGE issue in my neighborhood. The fact that you don't acknowledge that Hamas swears that it will destroy Israel in the name of Allah regardless of Israel's concessions, doesn't mean that that is not exactly what they have said and intend to do.

I'd say that it's rather you that's being narrowsighted.

LOL. You think that Ashkenasic Jews started this and that the Arab killers distinguished in a 3 day bloodbath between Jewish places of origin ? This was started when a Muslem religious figure anounced that the Jews where disrespectful to Islam. That's all it took. And the fact that you seem to condone the killing of ashkenasic Jews would also explain why you might believe that blowing up public trasportation in London is a perfectly acceptable form of political debate.

All the better. You'll sell nicely as a slave.

Don't know how you could tell with all the Arabs the Brits imported into the area for their projects. But as distinct as they are, they are still Arab Muslems just like the 100+ million around them.

What year are you talking about now ? If it's 48, that's pretty funny.

Fascinating story that is supposed to show what again ? Sometimes I must admit that I have a hard time foillowing your train of thaught. There are now what, 500 settlers in Hebron ? It used to be quite the Jewish community. I guess that's what happens when you massacre the inhabitants.

Look. We are eventually going to have to agree to disagree. We are both products of our enviornment. I was raised in a Zionist home, and you in England, which despite your repeated protest, is not known for being great with Jews and even worse with regards to Israel. So I am going to work with what I know about my adversary, and that is that regardless of appeasment, he wants it all and will not stop until I am no longer alive, or living here. I will not allow that to happen and i will not allow others to dictate what I must do for their own appeasment agendas. I am, to the disgust of all naysayers, doing quite well this way. Jerusalem will not be returned and the security fence will be finished.

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[quote="Janglo";p="388861"]That's funny. My Arab friends here go to school. Some even to Israeli Universities on scholarships. But that's not really the issue being discussed. So why is England the only non-Muslim country calling for an academic boycott of Israel. You are incapable of Gaza and West Bank Schools colleges and Universities? You brought the issue up. Because of Israel closing Palestinian schools. Absolutely incapable of seeing any difference between and religions, thank you. Britain in general is not anti Israel, it is however anti Human rights abuse.

I just think it is a good place to start negotiations from. And the UN did designate Arab and Jewish areas based on population densities, before Israel attacked. Israel can only say that Israel was invaded (the Western Galilee Arab partition area) if Israel does not accept the Partition plan; which Israelophiles always say that Israel did accept the partition plan. Israel at the declaration of independence did not incorporate the Western Galilee or the strip around the West Bank.

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Israel schools for Jews also do the same, only with more subtlety.

I do not ignore anything, I just don't dwell on one group to the exclusion of others. Why did the authorities take a