You must have meant what you said Sir since you posted it 3 times

I try to live up to your expectations as I, likewise, enjoy this discussion. It is a learning curve for me as well. Bare with me. For example I just learned the full story of the Israeli "slaughter" at Dar Yassin that you are so fond of bringing up. I see a new point of view on it and I don't think you are going to like it, but we'll save that for later.

But nothing on any other nation. Not one on Muslem nations and their teachings which should astound you as a civilized individual. Why Israel & Zimbabwe only ? Surely there are tons of countries commiting worse attrocities than Israel. My point is that England has never been a great friend of israel, ever. You helped the Arabs before and during 48. You kept desperate Jews out of their homeland during the holocaust. Any guess on how you voted at the UN in 48 ? As I have said, you live in a country that picks on Israel disproportionately. England is an Arabphile nation in general.

As I said earlier, Is Israel doing anything worse than China or North Korea or a host of other nations ? I'd easily argue that we are not. Yet this boycott is only called for on Zimbabwe and Israel. There are more Nobel laureates from Israel than any other nation per capita, and you want an intelectual boycott ?! It really does border on the wrong side of being biased against Israel.
And the Palestinian schools are quite a joke. Do you realize what exactly is going on in there ? According to the Oslo accords the PA was to educate it's youth on israel's right to exist and stop teaching hate. The independent council monitoring this found that given years, not one of these commitmets where followed, while Israel complied fully. It is amazing the hate spewed by these schools as part of it's curriculum. On top of that, the schools are often used for extra curricular "activities". So unless you are willing to let Israel literally educate the next generation of Palestinians, there will be school closings. England would do the same in a heartbeat if Muslems in your country where preaching what they are in these schools. And I believe fully that they are.

I have no idea what some of this sentence meens, but I will address what I do. Signing of the bombs happened last summer by kids in northern Israel wishing Narsallah a nice summer break of sorts. Can't really blame them. Gotta give these kids something to do after being in shelters for weeks.

LOL. You are comparing bringing up an entire generation on hate, a school curriculum based on hate and historic misinformation, etc with some school children telling Hizbullah what they can do with themselves. You like to make things the same cuz it suits you, but they are not. There are degrees. You are comparing apples with moltocv coctails. I am a product of Israeli public education and not once was I taught to hate. In this case dear Sir your refusal to see shades between black and white makes you shortsighted in my opinion. Coming from England, I understand it. You, like myself, and any Palestian going through a school in Palestine, are a product of your enviornment.

Ayn Hawd is still Ayn Hawd, but now it's part of israel. Why do we need to keep these names ?! It's our country. We have to keep Arab names ?! Muslems once ruled Spain. Does Spain maintain all of the names Muslems have given to it's cities ? Do the Arabs here call Har Habayit (the Temple Mount) by it's Jewish name ?! Heck no. Heck, they built a mosque on my holiest site. They don't even call Jerusalem by that name !! To them it's Al Quds. You have quite the double standard when it comes to how Israel should treat the Arabs/Muslems as opposed to how they should treat me.

Cuz it's not their land now. See how that works. Besides which many of these Palestinians may have been indiginous, but they certainly didn't own the land. Some did, but many many didn't and about 70% fled in 48 without once seeing an Israeli soldier. Even Chomski admits that right of retun is a dead issue that should be dropped as it only impedes the peace process (if one really exists).

You are a funny guy. Let's call Oslo a test. The PA comlied with zero of 5 things required of them. I have come to the realization that the Muslems running the show in "Palestine" have exactly zero intention of ever coming to terms with Israel's existance no matter what I give them, which will never be 48. They'll be lucky to get 67. In fact I wouldn't even be OK with that. With no intention of peace with Israel, I have no incentive in giving up anything else. Gaza is just an example of what I can expect if we give back land. Hamas and the Palestinians are open about this, but you seem to want to discuss this as if they are lying about their intentions. At least I give them credit for being honest. You don't even do that.

Ahh yes. Jews where the indiginous population once. We where forced out by and large. Apparently that was OK. It's just not OK now. As a Jew I must tell you that I see it differently. And your indiginous population pretty much owned nothing. It was mostly in the hands of Turkish absentee landlords. Heck, even the Greek Orthodox Church was buying land from these landlords. Not to mention the fact that Jews really really have lived here always. Put on top of that the million or so Jews booted from Arab lands (those that wheren't publicly executed for no reason) in 48, and you might understand why I don't feel so bad for the misplaced Arab Muslems. It's OK to do it to Jews, just not to Arabs or God forbid Muslems. Once again, double standard.

These Russians where Jews. It wasn't that Russians where trying to emigrate into Palestine. It was that Jews where coming home. You miss key points. And I wouldn't speak about immigration control. Within 50 years you'll be speaking Arabic in the street. I know you either disagree or don't care, but it's pretty well true.

It is a pity since every other mainline source I can find agrees with my assesment of the history. In 48 the locals opened up on the Jews. Almost every Jewish farm and village was attacked. The Armies of 5 Arab nations would join in. And as for Jordan, 1) They let the Iraqis through. 2) They offered not to attack only if Israel refused statehood and stopped immigration. Completely unacceptable, especially with Jews coming out of Europe. As for Jabotinsky, not sure what "facists" training in Italy has anything to do with it. Are you actually saying that Israel attacked Egypt 1st in 48 ?

Find me where in Israels mission statement/charter it says that Israel's goal is to destroy Palestine and make it Arabrind (Arab free). Hamas has sworn that it will destroy Israel. It's in it's charter (as well as the PLO's). It has shown no change in these beliefs. At this point giving back land is literally giving it to those sworn to kill me. You are not selling this too well.

So subliminally that I've really really never run across it in all my years in it. At least you admit that it's blatant within the Palestinian system. So why no boycotts against them ? Seems that an intelectual boycott would be more appropriate to show your dismay with their educational agenda. Yet dead silence.

The English occupation of Ireland has gone on a lot longer. Tell me all about that

I blame you in large part for this crisis. So, what's new ?!

And yet 20% of Israel is Arab. What % of Palestine is Jewish ?!

Property of the Queen's forces. No wonder you have been threatened by IRA and Nationalists but not by Muslems. Try telling the Muslem community that they have gone a bit far and need to have their imams to cool it. See what happens.

I didn't read the whole thing. 1st off it's a British account given to the UN .. a double joke. Secondly, once I read the following I stopped ...
"The Moslem Contentions.

Before giving an account of the point of view of the Moslem Side, we may refer to the declarations on matters of principle that were made by AHMED ZAKI PASHA on behalf of the Moslems, and which were repeated later by MOHAMED ALI PASHA:

" With great respect to the Commission I feel it my duty before beginning my statement to make the following reservations:
First: The Palestine Arab nation have rejected continually and in every opportunity the British Mandate over Palestine, and therefore they cannot be bound by any arrangement or regulation derived from that. Mandate; nor can they be bound by anything pertaining to what is known as the national home policy. My statement in this direction should not be taken as indicating any departure from that attitude which was adopted by this nation in exercise of its right to determine its own future.
Second: Moslems state that all contentions relative to Moslem sacred places should be dealt with only by competent bodies as prescribed by the Sharia Law. Other bodies can have no jurisdiction whatever by the Sharia Law. Other bodies can have no jurisdiction whatever on these places.
Subject to the above-mentioned two reservations, I have the honour to submit the following . . ."

The following contentions of the Moslem Side have been formulated with the explicit reservations aforesaid.

(a) Historical.

History shows that after having acquired Palestine by the right of conquest, the Jews were definitely driven out of the country by the Romans after the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus."
So 1st off the Arabs never accepted the British mandate. But even more interesting is that according to them "aquiering Palestine" is fine by "right of conquest". End of discussion !! Thank you for playing "Palestinians". What's good for the goose is good for the Jews. unless of course this only applies to Arab/Muslem conquests.

Please provide a link. This refers to white slavery & the sex trade. Nothing to do with exploitation of foreign builders etc. You must be thinking about Dubai.

You're calling Hamas a "fring group" ?? Fatah is not much better.

Jews willfully left Jerusalem? The only times I'm aware of was when they got evicted or there was a plague of some sort or another.

This call for boycott was within the government though. That's what's so scary. It's a complete focus on Israel to the exclusion of much more worthy candidates. Yet you do not agree that things are getting worse for Israel within the governmental level (maybe you do). I suggest that they where never good and that they are only getting worse.

I will. I suggest that you read "Why I'm Not A Muslem" by Ibn Warraq. Might give you an insight into applied Islam Vs theoretical Islam. Might bring more credability to my claim that the main issue here is Islam and that making peace with Israel is actually religiously forbidden. All this from the pen of a former Muslem, a graduate of the Pakistani midrasas.

That you may have to decide on yourself. I am of the opinion that things do not occur in a vacuum. That under the circumstances, Israel has certainly not been perfect, but it has not been as far off as you maintain. Which brings us to Dar Yassin. Yes it was horrific, but it pales in comparison with Hebron. Dar Yassin overlooked the road to Jerusalem and was used to cut off supplies to Jerusalem. They where literally strangelling Jerusalem. It was horrific. I believe 200 people or so where killed, among them women and children. No excuse. It was immediately condemned by all other organizations in the field at the time. The attack itself was justifide in my opinion, after researching the matter, but the killing of women and children is never excused. It was however being perpetrated on the Jews by the Arabs at that time quite frequently. palestinians where slaughtering all Jews they could get their hands on.

Looking forawrd to your reply. Cheers mate

__________________
"The key difference between cats and lies is that cats only have 9 lives" - Mark Twain

You must have meant what you said Sir since you posted it 3 times

I try to live up to your expectations as I, likewise, enjoy this discussion. It is a learning curve for me as well. Bare with me. For example I just learned the full story of the Israeli "slaughter" at Dar Yassin that you are so fond of bringing up. I see a new point of view on it and I don't think you are going to like it, but we'll save that for later.

But nothing on any other nation. Not one on Muslem nations and their teachings which should astound you as a civilized individual. Why Israel & Zimbabwe only ? Surely there are tons of countries commiting worse attrocities than Israel. My point is that England has never been a great friend of israel, ever. You helped the Arabs before and during 48. You kept desperate Jews out of their homeland during the holocaust. Any guess on how you voted at the UN in 48 ? As I have said, you live in a country that picks on Israel disproportionately. England is an Arabphile nation in general.

As I said earlier, Is Israel doing anything worse than China or North Korea or a host of other nations ? I'd easily argue that we are not. Yet this boycott is only called for on Zimbabwe and Israel. There are more Nobel laureates from Israel than any other nation per capita, and you want an intelectual boycott ?! It really does border on the wrong side of being biased against Israel.
And the Palestinian schools are quite a joke. Do you realize what exactly is going on in there ? According to the Oslo accords the PA was to educate it's youth on israel's right to exist and stop teaching hate. The independent council monitoring this found that given years, not one of these commitmets where followed, while Israel complied fully. It is amazing the hate spewed by these schools as part of it's curriculum. On top of that, the schools are often used for extra curricular "activities". So unless you are willing to let Israel literally educate the next generation of Palestinians, there will be school closings. England would do the same in a heartbeat if Muslems in your country where preaching what they are in these schools. And I believe fully that they are.

I have no idea what some of this sentence meens, but I will address what I do. Signing of the bombs happened last summer by kids in northern Israel wishing Narsallah a nice summer break of sorts. Can't really blame them. Gotta give these kids something to do after being in shelters for weeks.

LOL. You are comparing bringing up an entire generation on hate, a school curriculum based on hate and historic misinformation, etc with some school children telling Hizbullah what they can do with themselves. You like to make things the same cuz it suits you, but they are not. There are degrees. You are comparing apples with moltocv coctails. I am a product of Israeli public education and not once was I taught to hate. In this case dear Sir your refusal to see shades between black and white makes you shortsighted in my opinion. Coming from England, I understand it. You, like myself, and any Palestian going through a school in Palestine, are a product of your enviornment.

Ayn Hawd is still Ayn Hawd, but now it's part of israel. Why do we need to keep these names ?! It's our country. We have to keep Arab names ?! Muslems once ruled Spain. Does Spain maintain all of the names Muslems have given to it's cities ? Do the Arabs here call Har Habayit (the Temple Mount) by it's Jewish name ?! Heck no. Heck, they built a mosque on my holiest site. They don't even call Jerusalem by that name !! To them it's Al Quds. You have quite the double standard when it comes to how Israel should treat the Arabs/Muslems as opposed to how they should treat me.

Cuz it's not their land now. See how that works. Besides which many of these Palestinians may have been indiginous, but they certainly didn't own the land. Some did, but many many didn't and about 70% fled in 48 without once seeing an Israeli soldier. Even Chomski admits that right of retun is a dead issue that should be dropped as it only impedes the peace process (if one really exists).

You are a funny guy. Let's call Oslo a test. The PA comlied with zero of 5 things required of them. I have come to the realization that the Muslems running the show in "Palestine" have exactly zero intention of ever coming to terms with Israel's existance no matter what I give them, which will never be 48. They'll be lucky to get 67. In fact I wouldn't even be OK with that. With no intention of peace with Israel, I have no incentive in giving up anything else. Gaza is just an example of what I can expect if we give back land. Hamas and the Palestinians are open about this, but you seem to want to discuss this as if they are lying about their intentions. At least I give them credit for being honest. You don't even do that.

Ahh yes. Jews where the indiginous population once. We where forced out by and large. Apparently that was OK. It's just not OK now. As a Jew I must tell you that I see it differently. And your indiginous population pretty much owned nothing. It was mostly in the hands of Turkish absentee landlords. Heck, even the Greek Orthodox Church was buying land from these landlords. Not to mention the fact that Jews really really have lived here always. Put on top of that the million or so Jews booted from Arab lands (those that wheren't publicly executed for no reason) in 48, and you might understand why I don't feel so bad for the misplaced Arab Muslems. It's OK to do it to Jews, just not to Arabs or God forbid Muslems. Once again, double standard.

These Russians where Jews. It wasn't that Russians where trying to emigrate into Palestine. It was that Jews where coming home. You miss key points. And I wouldn't speak about immigration control. Within 50 years you'll be speaking Arabic in the street. I know you either disagree or don't care, but it's pretty well true.

It is a pity since every other mainline source I can find agrees with my assesment of the history. In 48 the locals opened up on the Jews. Almost every Jewish farm and village was attacked. The Armies of 5 Arab nations would join in. And as for Jordan, 1) They let the Iraqis through. 2) They offered not to attack only if Israel refused statehood and stopped immigration. Completely unacceptable, especially with Jews coming out of Europe. As for Jabotinsky, not sure what "facists" training in Italy has anything to do with it. Are you actually saying that Israel attacked Egypt 1st in 48 ?

Find me where in Israels mission statement/charter it says that Israel's goal is to destroy Palestine and make it Arabrind (Arab free). Hamas has sworn that it will destroy Israel. It's in it's charter (as well as the PLO's). It has shown no change in these beliefs. At this point giving back land is literally giving it to those sworn to kill me. You are not selling this too well.

So subliminally that I've really really never run across it in all my years in it. At least you admit that it's blatant within the Palestinian system. So why no boycotts against them ? Seems that an intelectual boycott would be more appropriate to show your dismay with their educational agenda. Yet dead silence.

The English occupation of Ireland has gone on a lot longer. Tell me all about that

I blame you in large part for this crisis. So, what's new ?!

And yet 20% of Israel is Arab. What % of Palestine is Jewish ?!

Property of the Queen's forces. No wonder you have been threatened by IRA and Nationalists but not by Muslems. Try telling the Muslem community that they have gone a bit far and need to have their imams to cool it. See what happens.

I didn't read the whole thing. 1st off it's a British account given to the UN .. a double joke. Secondly, once I read the following I stopped ...
"The Moslem Contentions.

Before giving an account of the point of view of the Moslem Side, we may refer to the declarations on matters of principle that were made by AHMED ZAKI PASHA on behalf of the Moslems, and which were repeated later by MOHAMED ALI PASHA:

" With great respect to the Commission I feel it my duty before beginning my statement to make the following reservations:
First: The Palestine Arab nation have rejected continually and in every opportunity the British Mandate over Palestine, and therefore they cannot be bound by any arrangement or regulation derived from that. Mandate; nor can they be bound by anything pertaining to what is known as the national home policy. My statement in this direction should not be taken as indicating any departure from that attitude which was adopted by this nation in exercise of its right to determine its own future.
Second: Moslems state that all contentions relative to Moslem sacred places should be dealt with only by competent bodies as prescribed by the Sharia Law. Other bodies can have no jurisdiction whatever by the Sharia Law. Other bodies can have no jurisdiction whatever on these places.
Subject to the above-mentioned two reservations, I have the honour to submit the following . . ."

The following contentions of the Moslem Side have been formulated with the explicit reservations aforesaid.

(a) Historical.

History shows that after having acquired Palestine by the right of conquest, the Jews were definitely driven out of the country by the Romans after the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus."
So 1st off the Arabs never accepted the British mandate. But even more interesting is that according to them "aquiering Palestine" is fine by "right of conquest". End of discussion !! Thank you for playing "Palestinians". What's good for the goose is good for the Jews. unless of course this only applies to Arab/Muslem conquests.

Please provide a link. This refers to white slavery & the sex trade. Nothing to do with exploitation of foreign builders etc. You must be thinking about Dubai.

You're calling Hamas a "fring group" ?? Fatah is not much better.

Jews willfully left Jerusalem? The only times I'm aware of was when they got evicted or there was a plague of some sort or another.

This call for boycott was within the government though. That's what's so scary. It's a complete focus on Israel to the exclusion of much more worthy candidates. Yet you do not agree that things are getting worse for Israel within the governmental level (maybe you do). I suggest that they where never good and that they are only getting worse.

I will. I suggest that you read "Why I'm Not A Muslem" by Ibn Warraq. Might give you an insight into applied Islam Vs theoretical Islam. Might bring more credability to my claim that the main issue here is Islam and that making peace with Israel is actually religiously forbidden. All this from the pen of a former Muslem, a graduate of the Pakistani midrasas.

That you may have to decide on yourself. I am of the opinion that things do not occur in a vacuum. That under the circumstances, Israel has certainly not been perfect, but it has not been as far off as you maintain. Which brings us to Dar Yassin. Yes it was horrific, but it pales in comparison with Hebron. Dar Yassin overlooked the road to Jerusalem and was used to cut off supplies to Jerusalem. They where literally strangelling Jerusalem. It was horrific. I believe 200 people or so where killed, among them women and children. No excuse. It was immediately condemned by all other organizations in the field at the time. The attack itself was justifide in my opinion, after researching the matter, but the killing of women and children is never excused. It was however being perpetrated on the Jews by the Arabs at that time quite frequently. palestinians where slaughtering all Jews they could get their hands on.

Looking forawrd to your reply. Cheers mate

__________________
"The key difference between cats and lies is that cats only have 9 lives" - Mark Twain

Ashley Lies about Everything, in every post

Knowing better but still using bad data and ridiculous comparisons.
Only here where politeness is required could this male Bimbo be given the time of day- or by someone with patience/the Lack of Intelligence to see his absurd disingenuity and dishonest argumentation. Comparing Jews and Mormons to Muslims etc.

Even where he might know something.. Her Lies to your face Jiggilo.

Also see:

[quote]
UK: Muslim integration has come to a halt

Jon Snow found a worrying trend towards separation among the young when he toured the country to test Muslim opinion

I recently went on a journey around Britain to make a film about one of the most difficult and controversial questions facing our country today: to what extent do Muslims pose a threat to Britain and its values?

We were attempting to delve behind the results of the most comprehensive survey to date of Muslim opinion in Britain. Conducted by NOP for Channel 4?s Dispatches, one of its most startling results suggested that Muslim integration into British society has effectively come to a halt.

Immigrants have usually tended to become more secular and less religious than their parents by the second generation. But the survey shows Muslims have gone in precisely the opposite direction. .."


By contrast, today?s young British Muslims are less liberal and more devout than their parents.
Their beliefs render many of them determined not just to be different but also to be separate from the rest of the nation. The issues that bring them into direct conflict with Britain as a whole include freedom of speech and how the ?war on terror? is being fought at home.

In short, the effects of Britain?s foreign policy are far more profound than for any other section of the population in determining their identity.

This sense of separateness is developing even in places like Stoke-on-Trent, where Muslims comprise ONLY 3% of the population, reflecting exactly the ratio of the 1.6m Muslims to the rest of the UK. Stoke is no ghetto, but a conversation with young Muslims playing football showed how out of step their views are with wider public opinion.

These young men simply did not believe that 9/11 was the work of Islamic terrorists, but rather an American conspiracy. One young man remarked in all seriousness that George Bush and Osama Bin Laden could be sitting together, sipping champagne. The reason Bin Laden had not been caught, he said, was that it would be ?game over and they?ll have to leave the Middle East?.

A sizeable number of British Muslims to whom I talked were convinced that Princess Diana was killed because of her relationship with a Muslim, a view reflected in our survey of 1,000 Muslims ? not just angry young men, but the elderly, women, the poor and wealthy businessmen. Half of those polled believe 9/11 was a conspiracy by the US and Israel, while one in four think Diana was murdered to stop her marrying a Muslim.

(abu note: What kind of reason is possible with these people? WEhat other religion is Deluded up to 50% worldwide on many issues)
Are they really like Moromons and Jews- or fundmantalist Christians?
LOL)

The evidence that integration has stopped comes from comparing our survey with previous studies, most notably one conducted in 1993 by Tariq Modood, professor of sociology at Bristol University, who says political identification with Islam has grown disproportionately among the young since then.

It is generally assumed potential radicals come only from deprived areas, but Modood confirms that the well-off and educated are drawing away just as much. Many youngsters from Bradford are going to university and in a sense having it both ways ? benefiting from this country?s facilities but taking with them core beliefs that sometimes lead to separateness.

....

An overwhelming number of British Muslims believe free speech should not extend to insulting their religion, and one-third would rather live under sharia law, as laid down by the Koran. A 29-year-old of Turkish Cypriot origin told me: ?I feel that democracy altogether isn?t working as a system. I believe that man-made laws aren?t really the answer.?

The standards such teachings embody are Non-liberal, though these are not without attraction to people on the conservative end of British life, who, like these young Koranic students, view homosexuality and drunkenness in public places as wholly unacceptable...."

Other views are less reassuring. In our sample, almost one in four said the July 7 bombings were justified in the light of Britain's support for the war on terror. Those under the age of 24 were twice as likely to believe this as those over 45..."

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/1553...come-to-a-halt
[quote]

Stroke-my-tent has a Small, not large, muslim population, but because oif their

Ashley Lies about Everything, in every post

Knowing better but still using bad data and ridiculous comparisons.
Only here where politeness is required could this male Bimbo be given the time of day- or by someone with patience/the Lack of Intelligence to see his absurd disingenuity and dishonest argumentation. Comparing Jews and Mormons to Muslims etc.

Even where he might know something.. Her Lies to your face Jiggilo.

Also see:

[quote]
UK: Muslim integration has come to a halt

Jon Snow found a worrying trend towards separation among the young when he toured the country to test Muslim opinion

I recently went on a journey around Britain to make a film about one of the most difficult and controversial questions facing our country today: to what extent do Muslims pose a threat to Britain and its values?

We were attempting to delve behind the results of the most comprehensive survey to date of Muslim opinion in Britain. Conducted by NOP for Channel 4?s Dispatches, one of its most startling results suggested that Muslim integration into British society has effectively come to a halt.

Immigrants have usually tended to become more secular and less religious than their parents by the second generation. But the survey shows Muslims have gone in precisely the opposite direction. .."


By contrast, today?s young British Muslims are less liberal and more devout than their parents.
Their beliefs render many of them determined not just to be different but also to be separate from the rest of the nation. The issues that bring them into direct conflict with Britain as a whole include freedom of speech and how the ?war on terror? is being fought at home.

In short, the effects of Britain?s foreign policy are far more profound than for any other section of the population in determining their identity.

This sense of separateness is developing even in places like Stoke-on-Trent, where Muslims comprise ONLY 3% of the population, reflecting exactly the ratio of the 1.6m Muslims to the rest of the UK. Stoke is no ghetto, but a conversation with young Muslims playing football showed how out of step their views are with wider public opinion.

These young men simply did not believe that 9/11 was the work of Islamic terrorists, but rather an American conspiracy. One young man remarked in all seriousness that George Bush and Osama Bin Laden could be sitting together, sipping champagne. The reason Bin Laden had not been caught, he said, was that it would be ?game over and they?ll have to leave the Middle East?.

A sizeable number of British Muslims to whom I talked were convinced that Princess Diana was killed because of her relationship with a Muslim, a view reflected in our survey of 1,000 Muslims ? not just angry young men, but the elderly, women, the poor and wealthy businessmen. Half of those polled believe 9/11 was a conspiracy by the US and Israel, while one in four think Diana was murdered to stop her marrying a Muslim.

(abu note: What kind of reason is possible with these people? WEhat other religion is Deluded up to 50% worldwide on many issues)
Are they really like Moromons and Jews- or fundmantalist Christians?
LOL)

The evidence that integration has stopped comes from comparing our survey with previous studies, most notably one conducted in 1993 by Tariq Modood, professor of sociology at Bristol University, who says political identification with Islam has grown disproportionately among the young since then.

It is generally assumed potential radicals come only from deprived areas, but Modood confirms that the well-off and educated are drawing away just as much. Many youngsters from Bradford are going to university and in a sense having it both ways ? benefiting from this country?s facilities but taking with them core beliefs that sometimes lead to separateness.

....

An overwhelming number of British Muslims believe free speech should not extend to insulting their religion, and one-third would rather live under sharia law, as laid down by the Koran. A 29-year-old of Turkish Cypriot origin told me: ?I feel that democracy altogether isn?t working as a system. I believe that man-made laws aren?t really the answer.?

The standards such teachings embody are Non-liberal, though these are not without attraction to people on the conservative end of British life, who, like these young Koranic students, view homosexuality and drunkenness in public places as wholly unacceptable...."

Other views are less reassuring. In our sample, almost one in four said the July 7 bombings were justified in the light of Britain's support for the war on terror. Those under the age of 24 were twice as likely to believe this as those over 45..."

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/1553...come-to-a-halt
[quote]

Stroke-my-tent has a Small, not large, muslim population, but they are so ndifferent and Vocal it seems 'large' I guess.

Ashley Lies about Everything, in every post

Knowing better but still using bad data and ridiculous comparisons.
Only here where politeness is required could this male Bimbo be given the time of day- or by someone with patience/the Lack of Intelligence to see his absurd disingenuity and dishonest argumentation. Comparing Jews and Mormons to Muslims etc.

Even where he might know something.. Her Lies to your face Jiggilo.

Also see:

[quote]
UK: Muslim integration has come to a halt

Jon Snow found a worrying trend towards separation among the young when he toured the country to test Muslim opinion

I recently went on a journey around Britain to make a film about one of the most difficult and controversial questions facing our country today: to what extent do Muslims pose a threat to Britain and its values?

We were attempting to delve behind the results of the most comprehensive survey to date of Muslim opinion in Britain. Conducted by NOP for Channel 4?s Dispatches, one of its most startling results suggested that Muslim integration into British society has effectively come to a halt.

Immigrants have usually t