If Islam is such a peaceful religion, why is it that Islam begins counting it's years from Muhamed's 1st great military conquest ?!! Judaism starts from the creation of the World. Christianity from the birth of Christ.

I'd love a section right by Zionist Conspiracy to post this to get some fair play here. Hope to see one soon.

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Ah, what are we gonna do with you Janglo. I don't know, I feel maybe i'm out of touch as i hav'nt seen that many muslims lately?. I might come across as an anti semite but I have a lot of respect for jewish people, most are decent law abiding folks and all the one's i've met seem nice enough, would'nt want to bump in to jack the ripper though anyway, question I wanted to ask you Janglo, do you think the muslims are too educated for their own good these days? I've had a simular discussion with jake about white people and their lack of culture [gentiles to you]. I said to jake that white folks have become too educated about our bad past [slavery etc] and now we have nothing to be proud of fight for.

Simular to the muslims now, rather than get on with day to day life their obsessed with world politics and the discrimination of their people, is this a good or a bad thing?

Ironically, the only race that has used it's knowledge to further itself rather than go backwards is your lot janglo, the Jews.

So what do you think Janglo, should we make these muslims mandotary toilet cleaners and ban them form having the internet and Sky news, cos this is the type of thing i'm talking about.

I have really no idea what half your post means, but I'll do my best here. For someone who complains about people getting off topic, you seem to do so with impressive regularity. Maybe you can explain why the Muslem calander starts innum count not from the creation of the Earth, or the birth of Muhamed, but rather from his first successful military campaign. Feel free to do so anytime you wish. But back to your ramblings ...

I think quite the opposite. I think they are, in alarmingly large #s, rather ignorant and brainwashed. What makes you think they are "too educated" ? Islam has in fact added incredibly little to the world in general. Mathematics and the # system used today they actually stole from others. Islam in general is an incredibly stifeler of free thaught and progress.

Seems like you are implying that they ("white people") should be proud of slavery. I think they shouldn't. However, they should be proud of being who they are, just as blacks enslaved each other over the centuries, if not millenia. Many Muslem countries still employ slave labor. Wanna guess how Dubai became the oasis that it is ?

How can you be obsesed with world politics when all your media is censored ?! And the reason that they all think that Muslems are being discriminated against is that these medias tell these poor uneducated masses that their bretheren is being opressed around the world. This despite the fact that Muslems are bar none the largest opressors of other Muslems and Islam is the largest opressor of others. So I wouldn't say that they are obsessed with world politics. I'd say that they have been bamboozled and are just as much in the dark as they ever where.

I don't see it as being ironic. I see it as a bloody miracle frankly. Between the Christian's, Muslems, and some overeager Germans, I'm surprised that we are around in the #s that we are.

I don't ever think Israel or others made the Muslems mandatory anythings. This is more than I can say for Islam and it's idea of the place of non-Muslems in it's community. The word Dhimmi springs to mind.
And as for the whole taking away their Sky News and internet, I'd say you'd be better off getting it to each and every one of them. Granted Sky news is a bit British style Arabphile, but at least it's a Western news source that answers to someone besides the government that owns it.

You have me wrong. I'd love to see Islam come into the 21st century. It's currently the borg if not worse.

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It's simple Janglo, you see the Muslims as a group of brainwashed people I see half of them as over educated for their own good, rather like a psycician cutting off his own hand!

It has nothing to do with the question posed in this thread.

However, with regards to your satement, I feel that those "overeducated" Muslems get their info from tainted sources. The Koran is bad and Al Jazeera isn't that much better.

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Christianity birth of Christ? So why do Christians have as a symbol a dying man on the cross?

Just really like to streach it. Yes Ashley, Christianity's annum count beggins with the birth of Jesus. So no answer on the Muslem calander ?! You really can't accept the fact that many of the basic tenants of Islam are in fact violent. Your insistance that all religions are similar in this respect is laughable, and your belief that Islam's desire to rule the world is "conspiracy theory" borders on denial, as it is fact ... no matter how much you fight it.

As for the man on the cross, it signifise the death for man's sins. It has nothing to do with wars or violence against others. I honestly expect more from you Ash. Fact is that waging war has always been an integral part of Islem. Dar al Islam ... the world under Muslem control. You dispute this fact a lot more than most Muslems do.

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Janglo I do see Christians hung up on the Death cult side and Nihilistic and yes they do share the Nihilism quite a lot with Islam. The Roman Catholics praying for divine intercession through a bunch of dead people, Islam with Muhammad's relatives shrines and Judaism's cave of the Patriarchs.

I do recognise the missionary zeal that both Christianity and Islam share as a destructive force.

Christianity gives out a lot about the war of good and evil. Hymns such as "Onwards Christian Soldiers" indicate a certain amount of militancy?

The 4 monotheistic religions that have come out of the Desert are all similar and I am unable to enthuse about any of them.

Not sure what "Death cult" means to be frank with you. I know in Judism, even at the Cave of the Patriarchs, the people come their to pray to God. It's holy place because foreathers are buried there. It's not that these peole are praying to the forefathers. Christianity runs into the praying to a human because Jesus is their encarnation of God on Earth. But I'm not sure praying to a person is bad so long as the message is good. Which brings us to the next point ...

Christianity does have an aspect of militancy to it. It is an incredibly missionizing oriented. So agreed. But I don't think that Jesus himself set this example. Missionizing yes, violence no. Therefor it's easier for Chrstianity to move awa from this mindset than it is for a religion that was established by a warlord who prostelatized by the sword when convenient and who's book (Qoran) starts off with "these are the words of God never to be changed". My biggest issue with Islam is that I have no patience. Christianity may have had it's period of represing and pissing on others, but in Islam it's still going on full steam.

I know 3. Not sure which 4th one you are refering to. And it's this hard set belief you have, that all these religions are the same, that makes you not recognize the vast diferences. I have said many times that you would like equate all these religions. Well I propose that they are as dissimilar as they are similar. Just the name of your other post, "Is Judaism turning into Islam", is enough to prove that they are not the same. Apparently even you don't realy believe that they are the same.

I will say that I'm not a huge fan of organized religion. There are certainly elements within Judaism that I don't agree with. However, for the most part, Orthodox Judaism (not Ultra Orthodox) is a benign force that brings a lot of happiness to a lot of people and is not a power looking for global domination.

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Death cults; praying through the dead for divine intercession. The Roman Catholics go through Mary to get to JC to get to god. Judaism go through the cave of Patriarchs, Islam does it with Mohamed's family. To me that is a bit creepy.



Christianity has done it's fair share of conversions by the sword;

1380 in France when Charles V died Jews were massacred and the children Kidnapped.

Spain on the eve of the Spanish expulsion of Jews is full of stories of apostasy and conversions of Jews, the group even got named as the "conversos"

Zorasterism. Interestingly the Sunni refer to Shi'as as zorasters, it's used as a pejorative term. As an Atheist all religions look the same to me. It may be a case that from the outside I see more of the similarities rather than the little differences. The Thread title was more of flame bait to Abu than a serious study.

I'm must be too much of an atheist to see any good in any religion.