Should women have the right to walk around topless?

Where did I mention marriage in this entire thread that I should be questioned regarding it, or even imply that blacks and whites should not marry? Where have I in a thread about bare breasts brought in an equivalency to gay marriage? Tell me, where did I mention marriage in this thread?!

This is a thread about nudity and sexuality.

Quite frankly, I'm rather insulted that someone would put words in my mouth on an issue like that when I was clearly not even speaking of it. I spoke of tradition. Things like modesty, fidelity, circumspection,etc. I don't think that all traditions are bad because they are "traditions".

Now, if you want to have a discussion on those I'd refer you to the million and one times I've said that I supported gay marriage.

 

He didn't put words in your mouth. You're avoiding the question asked by claiming it's putting words in your mouth.

 

No doubt most men would be all for a topless society, but most women are smart enough to know it's that sense of sweet mystery that keeps men coming back for more.

IOW, keep yer shirts on, ladies... we've got enuff men turning gay as it is.

 

You were extrapolating from one example to multiples that have no bearing on this thread.

^^That was insulting to imply that I would support any of those things, and then you demand that I answer something that is clearly an attempt to insult me and abuse my character.

I was not making an argument, starting a debate, I was sharing my opinion and my own personal contradictions and struggles with my beliefs on individualism.

You've been extremely rude. Why? Answer that question, first. What gives you the right to attack my character by aligning one statement that I made with support of child labor or denying women the right to vote? Answer that and I'll answer you.

 

I mentioned nudity. You and Wolverine extrapolated the tradition of modesty to marriage, child labor, women's suffrage--all of which I have spoke out on at great length.

 

WTF does that have to do with women going topless?

 

Foaming at the mouth is more like it. Do we have a full moon tonight?

 

Cultural Marxism. Frog boiling social mores out and culture rot in since Vietnam....all in the name of "progress"

 

Justifications had been made based upon traditions and social mores. They were once traditions and social mores.

 

Nothing. Somehow, making a statement in regards to traditions like clothing and the inclusion of these older ideals on modesty has turned into a false analogy and continuum about child labor, slavery, and women's suffrage.

 

I would say that you're entitled to that belief and that there are many arguments that may validly support that belief; however, the fallacy of tradition is real, so maybe you should pick another argument that's less logically fallacious to defend it.

 

So you are saying that if slavery is a bad tradition then all traditions are bad because they are traditions?

 

The fallacy of false analogy is also real, but like the fallacy of tradition it has no bearing on my opinion. My opinion was essentially saying that not all traditions are bad, not that all traditions are good. I hope the difference is realized.

 

No, just pointing out what a horrible way it is to justify something by pointing out it's a tradition or that it's a social more. That means nothing. I want logic and rational thinking.

 

No, he was saying, correctly, though indirectly, that your argument was fallacious.

And yes, women should be allowed to go topless. Anyone who says otherwise has issues with their sexuality.

 

And where did I do that? Where did I say that all traditions are good?

 

Why should men be allowed to go around topless?

Why should a woman be allowed to pull out a breast or two in public to breastfeed but not for other reasons?

There seems to be a failure in logic there.

 

Now I think you're just been obtuse on purpose. You're also not the only poster in this thread.

 

What argument was I making? Where did I say that a) all traditions are good, and b) that I accept all traditions? I was giving my opinion, not debating, not challenging, just saying that I am saddened that we feel the need as a society to throw out all old mores and traditions.

 

on a beach, sure. Heck, I don't even like it when guys take off their shirts after playing and even when at stadiums and they are spectators.


I don't want to deal with your armpit stink or hygiene issues.

If you just played a game and want to change into another t shirt then ok. But don't bring your bare chested stink near me

 

But your only defense for the argument was that it's a tradition; that's why it's fallacious. You can have your opinion, but don't expect everyone else to validate it when you don't support it logically (which is what I tell my speech and debate students on a daily basis).

 

How rude. Guess you'd like women to go topless so you can finally see a set of boobs, huh? Obviously you're not capable of talking a woman's clothes off.

 

Why should we keep people on respirators, why should be keep dogs in the house, why should we think babies are cute?

I was sharing in the first post feelings that I had, my level of personal discomfort, and later acknowledge in a different post that this feeling was in conflict with my personal philosophy about individualism and the ability of someone to have the right to live their lives as they chose.

I am not always "debating" a topic, sometimes I am musing, sharing, working through my own thoughts. What concerns me is that suddenly my "feelings" are extrapolated and rearranged so that I am making a case for all traditions, and I find that rude, quite frankly.

In my head, a semi-humorous thread didn't signify that I had to speak from a philosophical, logical context.

 

1. Where did I ask for validation on an opinion in this thread?
2. When did I take a debate position?
3. This is a thread about walking around bare breasted in New York. Why would I expect to be having a serious debate--especially given the poll choices?

 

To the ignore list you go. The men are talking. Be quiet.