BBC poll: Rest of world favours Obama

The way Bush did it was basically the only way to do it. How many of those countries would have balked? They could cite its unpopulartiy, the costs, whatever they wanted, given them little choice, such is 'you're with us or against us' accomplished all the goals set forth. Come on, with the tough talk even China and Russia came to certain agreements in the realm of fighting terrorists. Granted they did so for as much their own reasons, but didn't want to stand on the wrong side of the greater issue.

You forget prior to 9/11 there was a lot of talk about the value of NATO in a post-Cold War world. Bush re-established our commitment to the Europeans, regardless if they hate him for it...

 

Um, no. Bush alienated way more people than he won over. And that's one reason it was so hard for him to find allies for his invasion of Iraq. His dad had a "Coalition of the willing" for the first Gulf War -- 34 countries, including multiple Arab countries. Many of whom sent significant troops. For instance, France sent 17,000 troops in 1991, and zero in 2003. SYRIA, for Pete's sake, contributed 19,000 troops to the first Gulf War, and zero in 2003.

W's group of allies was far smaller, and only a half-dozen contributed combat troops or equipment. It was clearly a go-it-alone war.

Libya is another good example. We knocked over Obama without a single American soldier (except maybe for some rumored special ops on the ground). Europe did the heavy lifting -- we just organized it and provided logistical support. That's incredible! If Bush had been president, it would have been an American-run invasion with little or no help from Europe.

Which would you prefer? I clearly prefer Obama's approach. So should conservatives, if they believe their own lines about wanting the rest of the world to pick up some of the burden of policing the world. Obama put that conservative principle into action -- and conservatives criticized him for it, saying he was "leading from behind."

 

You know America is not Europe, Asia or the Middle East. It is not Africa, the South Pacific or South America.

You like us to be like you but there again I guess we could be like you. Lets have radical political parties to close our borders. Lets get out of trade deals like many EU countries want to. Lets marginalize ourselves and bow to the UN.

You like a weak America because it make you feel big and strong.

WWI How many Americans died for the freedoms of other countries?

WWII How many Americans died for other countries?

Korea? How many Americans died in that screwed up UN action?

Vietnam? How many dies because the French lost it to the commies?

Where are the rest of you when the (*)(*)(*)(*) hits the fan? Taking care of your internal issues while America is spending more on military action that protects the world than many of you spend on your entire budget.

 

Unbubblable

 

Was there any mistruth to that? America should take care if its internal issues and only act if the NATO treaty is violated (until we can get out of nato or modify the treaty as America has abused it). America should set up a military for hire branch. If you are our ally you cover all of our expenses.

How many trillions in trade have been protected by the US.

 

The rest of the world can have him.

 

What exactly do you mean Marine?

What would respect constitute for you?

 

It seems as if conservatives want respect from the rest of the world without having to return the favor.

 

This the sort of thinking that makes the world support obama and the democrats.

You really think the world owes you something? It doesnt.

As for Americans dying for other countries, plenty of men died in these wars. And in return for your sacrifice you got unlimited access to markets across the world. Your brands sell everywhere and youve acheived a legacy that only the british can match. So what the fudge do you really want more than that?

Time to win friends and influence people. Romney therefore is not the right man for that.

 

Well indeed, American conservatives think we europeans live in teetering quasi communist states. In fact weve gotten by in successful social democracies much like the US itself.

I think the difference is that whereas while we europeans even on the left recognise the things we can learn from the US the US is decidely reluctant to learn from lest it taint itself with socialism .

 

Of corse they are usually in power.

This kind of thinking really gets me. Many of you sit in your welfare states being supported by the working people, you have immigration issues as bad as the US and you (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about us. You want a level playing field. Well we do to but we want you level with us or better not lowering ourselves to a socialist state any faster than need be. You keep your welfare states over there.

 

Wrong again!
The rest of the world (especially Europe) is a lot more up to date with politics in general, and US politics in particular than we, arrogant Americans know-it-all are.

In fact, many Europeans may have a better idea of what President Obama and Romney are all about than we do. . .as propaganda is not their main form of information and they do have a pretty effective "sh. . filter" in their media!

 

Yep. The neighbors always know more about the 800-lb gorilla than the gorilla knows about the neighbors.

 

But the issue is what we Americans feel. Honestly with the polls so close it just once again tells us that neither is worth a (*)(*)(*)(*). I prefer Romney simply because the health care bill - without revision - is very bad for American business (what do the majority of Obama supporters care they are sucking the tit). How bad would Romney be? Well look at it this way.

When you run a company you answer to the stake (stock) holders. That is the 401s and IRAs with blind owners that proxy for highest profits. Romney and any CEO does as the owners tell them. Maximize profits.

So blame the people not Romney.

 

And how does approaching things like a limp-wristed Illinois (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) work?

Ask our Ambassador to Libya.

 

...You guys know what the correct rebuttal is for this statement? Here, let me show you:

"You're both (*)(*)(*)(*)ing insane, paranoid jackasses who would do well to get your heads out of your spacious behinds and stop conjuring up retarded conspiracy theories".

Actually, I take it back. The correct answer is this:

"You're insane."

Full stop.

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By Bush's own words: "Enemies of our nation will not stand, we will hunt them down". Do you think he would only limit that to our own country? And not apply it to, you know, everywhere else?

Ladies and gentlemen: the right wing speaks out against the concept of "diplomacy".

...are you for (*)(*)(*)(*)ing real?!

Paranoid (*)(*)(*)(*)bags can blab on and on about how the rest of the world wants a weak America. If only they weren't a consistent voting bloc.

 

Obama would be right at home in any one of those bankrupt, socialist ****holes , like Greece, Spain, Italy, or France. They are welcome to have him! And I hope that after we throw his arrogant, autocratic ass out of the White House next January, he leaves the country and goes to run for some kind of "supreme leader" position in some other bankrupt, ****ed-up place where he belongs....

 

Weakness is beyond you comprehension in this case. Militarily is not the only strength here and it is not about power projection. It is about resolve and economic integrity. Obama has put more people on welfare and has overseen the highest military suicide rate on record:

http://www.avoiceformen.com/misandry/is-the-right-sympathetic-to-the-mra/

And the non military rate?

http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?page_id=04ea1254-bd31-1fa3-c549d77e6ca6aa37

And
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/241911.php

So this means we are weak. People are losing hope. Obama does not make people confident. A weak leader weakening a country.

 

Based on those charts you should invade Iraq again.

Seriously?

 

So basically you're a pacifist who is unhappy that the US is spending too much money on the military? Mitt Romney wants even more of your tax-money to be spent on military action. And he'll sell your interests out to Nethanjahu without thinking twice about it. If you vote for him its almost certain that you'll soon fight Israels war for it. Guess what that will do to your budget.
Face it man: you're a closet democrat and if you only managed to actually use your brain rather than just parroting empty propaganda-slogans you could have your coming-out on election day.

 

Sorry, but any reasonable person can see that Obama hates America.

 

No I am not a pacifist but I am against limited warfare and nation building. We don't need to waste our people on third world states that wont take care of themselves. We don't need to waste billions on it. Screw rebuilding them. Fuk em' up as punishment and simply use a scorched earth policy.

Watch who you call liberal there buddy. I feel that the populations of a nation if complacent with terrorist policies are complicit because of their tolerance.

 

Stop trying to sound as repugnant as possible to score points with your right wing buddies. I know you're a good and moral person deep down.

So you don't want to spend American resources on "nation building"? That's exactly what Biden keeps saying: "Let Afghans do the job." Again you ought to vote Democrat. They declare that the US definitely ought to be out of Afghanistan by 2014 no matter what. Romney on the other hand wants to keep open some back doors for eventually, just in case staying longer to do some "nation building".

 

If I needed one more reason to not vote for El Barrack bin Husseini Ibn O'Bama Blackeagle this would be it. Who cares what those despotic Islamonazi leftist losers think. If it was not for the western world holding their hands, wiping their asses, and paying their way they would still be in the stone age. Screw them, they are a waste of our time and money.

 

For me the military issue is secondary. I am a conservative but the right wing I am not.

I consider my children and their future and the Obama administration is not the way to the future they are simply a faster way to bankrupt the nation.

Honestly I am no pacifist I am so much on the other end of pacifism that our beloved armed forces deemed me a little too much and we went our own ways. I do however realize I have issues; therefore, I control and temper myself and my emotions. I refuse to be an animal like so many of the dogs and (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)es that vote for massa Obama who feeds, houses and cloths them. I refuse to be associated with people who can not keep their legs closed and their pecker in their pants. I refuse to be associated with those who would defend the acts of violence by putting it off on others who follow the law. I refuse to be associated with those who bleed this country dry getting welfare and SS benefits when they can work. (*)(*)(*)(*) look at the SS disability claims and payments since UE ran out.

No I am very far removed from the democratic party of today so much so I am considering changing parties. I was a conservative democrat but in todays world I think I will just be a conservative independent.