I hear your argument. That does not matter. What mattered is what the scouts thought of him. AND, that won't matter either. What will matter, is that Swope gets out on the field and lights it up. That will be all that will matter at the end of the day. If he does what you believe he can do, he will play in the NFL for a long time.
Wow big deal. was he covered by those corners? I want to see his stats against those guys drafted in the first round. Playing against the second or third string guy doesn't count.
In complete fairness to Northwinds, he is right on his analysis. Swope lit these guys up and ran away from them. He is spot on in this regard.
So the leading WR for Texas A&M was playing against "second and third string" defensive backs in games that impacted the multi-million dollar national championship....LMAO at you.....you have clearly lost all credibility in this thread.....and shown your complete lack of any football knowledge.....but thanks for playing.....it was amusing.
And you are as well in yours which is the reason he fell in the draft, not because of his skin color. Northwinds thinks there is some conspiracy against whites in the NFL. He thinks it's a conspiracy that Toby Gerhart has to sit behind Adrian Peterson. You said yourself they moved him to the slot to take advantage of the less physical defenders. What is he going to do when those slot corners are those outside guys he has been moved away from?
I agree to an extent. While i do believe what i've been told from very credible sources and from what I saw with my own eyes, I do believe there is an immediate conclusion when scouting RB's, WR'S and Corners, that if you are White, you are quickly discarded. There is however, some good reasoning for this. Fast twitch muscle is more abounds in people of African descent than it is predominate in lighter color descent.It's a subject that is often NOT talked about publicly, but coaches who recruit and draft and play against speed, it is a very real thing. That is not saying that white athletes do not possess fast twitch muscle fiber, because Swope is an example of that. What i am suggesting, is that by in large, African descent has the genetic make up that favors this inherited trait. The Olympic sprints are the best example of this on a world wide basis. 100 meters gold, silver, bronze, 200 meter gold silver bronze, 400 relays......you get the drift. Yes, Jeremy WARNER is and was very fast in the 400. Again, one in ??? vs the field. There is no mistake about who wins and who wins more often than not. To ignore this, is having one's head in the sand. This gets back to the REASON for the most part, white players are usually not favored over players of African descent. it's called fast twitch muscle fiber which translates to faster reflexes, quickness, recovery, reaction, explosiveness, and top end speed. Swope has this, but he's one of the few who do posses this genetic trait.
Thanks....your last two posts have been spot on to a certain extent.....but if you are a college coach you have to realize the bias against white athletes at the skill positions other than QB. There was a great article a couple of years back quoting a black high school coach in Missouri. He had a good black defensive player that all the scouts were coming to look at.......particularly SEC scouts. He kept telling the scouts "the guy you really need to look at is my RB".....who happened to be a white, red-headed kid with a normal name. According to this black coach, scout after scout told him essentially "you are out of your mind if you think I'm gonna go back to Athens, Tuscaloosa, Knoxville, Baton Rouge, etc. and tell my head coach that we are gonna give a scholorship to a white, red-headed RB from Missouri." The scouts can recruit any old black RB named De'marquarius and the fans are fine no matter if he is a bust........if they recruit Taylor Smith, white RB and he is just mediocre the scout loses his job and the drunk white fans are pissed. All you have to do is look at the Wes Welker, Toby Gerhart, Jordy Nelson stories to see how this plays out. Sure they made it through the anti-white gauntlet.....but few do. - - - Updated - - - So are you withdrawing your ridiculous comment that Ryan Swope played against "second and third string" defensive backs in the SEC?
I do realize it and I see it happen quite often. I will say though, I love when it does, because it allows me to recruit a stud of whom I HAVE TO COMPETE very little for, which I love!!! However, there are many factors that go into recruiting that go far and above just being able to run a 4.3...but that is another topic.. I will alos say that I have seen far more African American that can flat out run, than i have recruited fast Caucasians. It's reality my friend. and to deny it, well...you'd be lying to yourself.
Thank you for acknowledging the obvious (to some) bias against white athletes in the college recruiting and NFL drafting process..........when you look at the Wes Welker story it becomes so blatantly obvious......he is the leading receiver in the NFL for the past six years (catches and yards)....yet he barely got a D-1 scholorship, was not even drafted and cut by his first team (LOL Chargers!)......is the multi-million dollar NFL scouting process that bad or is it biased racially.....I'll go with biased racially. How was Toby Gerhart only recruited by one D-1 school as a RB? Why did Jordy Nelson have to walk on as a 'safety' in college? How many Wes', Jordy's, and Toby's give up earlier and sell life insurance? mod edit>>>stop that
I'm not disagreeing with some of your analysis, but I just love to talk football. I hate getting into the flame threads. Toby Gerhart was a good back. Is he a great back? I'll let history determine that. Wes Welker is a great receiver, no question. Does he posses blinding speed? No and he's 5'9" with small hands and he runs a 4.7 40. Point is, as a recruiter, you look for the tangibles first and foremost. Speed, transition, separation, vertical threat ability, height, strength, catch ability, blocking etc.,. The intangibles is where it becomes highly subjective. You just can't measure heart, fight, will, and desire. That as well as the knowledge and understanding of the game is the difference maker for a welker type. It;s certainly NOT the tangibles, of which MOST recruiters and scouts go by. Fortunately for Welker, he was able to over come the ordinary limits that are placed on the less gifted athletes. Knowing how to get open, understanding coverages, throwing lanes, blocking technique and blitz pick up is what keeps him in the NFL, not to mention his ability to flat out make plays and catch the football. I can understand WHY he was not recruited and why he was not drafted. He misses on so many of the talents required in the collegiate level as well in the NFL.I t is NOT because he is WHITE. He is an anomaly, A RARITY at what he has been able to pull of REGARDLESS of hi skin color. Drew Brees is much akin to a Welker. Small, comparatively speaking, but the heart, will, desire, passion and understanding of the game, plus Brees throws a beautiful ball is what makes him great. Not the color of his skin or there lack of color. Brees too, was only recruited by Kentucky and Purdue. He was in Texas's back yard and they didn't like his size and i can understand that. Do recruiters miss? yes Do recruiters bypass on race? not completely, but for certain skill players, let's just say they are more apt to miss on a kid of Caucasian descent.
I really appreciate your honesty......but, seriously, with regard to Welker........he was the Oklahoma high school player of the year......he scored 90 touchdowns in high school......I'm gonna repeat that for you......90 touchdowns......and we are talking Oklahoma football here......have you ever recruited a high school player that scored 90 touchdowns in high school? Yet, he was really not offered any D-1 scholorships until some kid backed out at Texas Tech. He has a great career at Texas Tech.....but no NFL draft/offers. Are the recruiters and their "tools" that bad.......should Wes' parents named him De'marcariuusl ?
Yes, I have passed on many a kid that had great stats that did not posses the tangible qualities that USUALLY translate into a higher degree of success than those that do not. I have seen many a great HIGH SCHOOL athletes have tremendous stats and get recruited based on those stats that do not pan out at a higher level of ball. Oklahoma High School football is NOT the bastion of great talent. That too, is a huge concern when recruiting a guy that has great stats, but paring that with his level of competition is how you can usually quantify those grotesque numbers. There are as well, many a great "system players" that have huge gaudy numbers and at the end of the day, don't translate as a guaranteed success at a higher level. I passed on a kid that threw for 728 yds in 1 game!!!! He was small statured, small hands, and had fair mobility. He threw all those yards against fair competition at best. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. While you may believe that Oklahoma high School football is top shelf, I gotta tell ya that it's not even close. Texas, of which by in large makes up much of the OU and Okie light teams provides most of their top athletes.Most, not all...Texas, Florida, Georgia, California, and Ohio are the bastions of High School football. Just sayin'
[video=youtube;IGGSCVUqybg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=IGGSCVUqybg&NR=1[/video] Wow look at him lining up against linebackers and safeties!
Try watching a much better Ryan Swope video that covers the whole year against different defenses.......you'll find Swope beating lots of black DBs whose numbers start with '1s' and '2's.......those wouldn't be linebackers.......you can get a pretty good idea of his incredible speed here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCosoGT0beM I know it hurts......because these black guys falling, losing their jock straps, and chasing the white kid down the field.....losing groun...... sure don't look "better than him in sports".......LMAO.
When the wage slavery hits white America hard in about 10-15 years white kids will be at the gym shooting around all day like black kids are and you will see a spectacular increase in the number of white athletes. And yes, Wes Welker is overrated, mod edit>>>stop that
As for Tim Tebow, I don't know why his fans are so happy about him going to NE. He will next play, just like in NY, and thats IF he makes the team in the first place. He can't throw an accurate pass to save his life. Get off of his nuts and let the man sell used cars in peace.
Yep......the leading receiver in the NFL for the past six years (catches and yards).....who went undrafted and was cut by his first NFL team......is "overrated".......'mod edit>>>stop that
Ok first of all, Welker is overrated. Any speed WR in the Pats offense will have success. Brady (also white) is a great QB and his line protects him long enough to find a cutting Welker. The Pats offense is really simple. Welker will be decent in Denver because he is a GOOD WR, but he probably won't even lead the team in anything. That said, I think I've said this many times but there are plenty NFL players that don't get drafted, and cut. Aryan Foster wasn't drafted. And to that point, TOBY GERHART was. If you want more white guys in the league, start up a rec league or something and get more whites playing basketball. There isn't a conspiracy against them. mod edit>>>stop that
They won't let him play. By now, he's really too rusty to play anyway. Nevertheless, he'll make a good whipping boy, mascot and field jester. It'll be a good thing for Tebow -- all he's gotta do is an occasional kneel-down, and pick up his enormous pay check. It's refreshing to see a Christian make good.
Huh? If he makes the team, they will play him at some position(s) some of the time. Why else would Belichick bother with him? No coach like him is going to waste a roster spot for a guy he doesn't intend to use.
Not really, but to play Devil's advocate Rex Ryan has had no success with less than the Hoody ever will. Remember, Bill failed in Cleveland and was failing in New England prior to Bledsoe getting destroyed. Rex Ryan went to back to back Championship games with *gasps* Mr Butt fumble himself as the starter, and no offense to speak off. Impressive.
Mike Vick has a phenomenally strong arm. It's just too bad he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at 7 yards away. He sure does know how to get the ball in the hands of the defense though. - - - Updated - - - Lots of players and coaches and GMs have been cuaght cheating. "Spygate" is the most overblown story in the history of sports. If it had happened to any other team, it wouldn't have made anything more than a paragraph in page 4 of the sports section. But since it happened to the most successful NFL team in recent history, it was blown way out of proportion.
