Are we created equal?

You literally are equating something that has created the best and most advanced civilizations on earth of any time period in which humans existed to something terrible like me breaking into your house and stealing your diamonds.

And on top of that, your argument has exceptions for when YOU deem it okay, so it's not even an argument in terms of how you're presenting it, you're saying 'it's only okay when I say it is' which doesn't present you as having a clear thought as to what you're arguing FOR.

So it's pointless to even discuss this with you at all, especially since you contradict yourself both in your argument AND in how you say you're humanitarian or 'help people guy/gal' right after you make fun of your patients. So spare me and everyone else here your pretzel logic.

 

You're kidding right? Social welfare TAKES from society. It doesn't GIVE to society.

In order to deem it okay, you'd need the moral authority to do so. The constitution DOES NOT give the federal government the moral authority to practice wealth redistribution.

If a founding father can't lay a finger on it, I can damned well GUARANTEE YOU never will unless you make it up out of thin air.

Your inability to debate the topic is duly noted. Have a nice day!

 

Moral authority is no different than authority. It is authority regardless and claiming your morals to be better than someone else's in this case is completely irrelevant to the argument you're trying to make. And yes, social welfare DOES give back to society because it keeps money flowing in an economy, which completely exists DUE to flow of money and it has the added benefit that when you walk to your job, there's less of those bums you seem to hate asking you for change.

 

It usually depends on implementation and why I believe supply side economics should be supplying us with better governance at lower cost.

However, you may be missing the point about Persons of wealth being able to simply "purchase" better privileges and immunities under our form of Capitalism, while no amount of sublime Truth (value) through logic and reason seems to be enough to accomplish something similar for the least wealthy, simply for the sake of consistent, rule of law.

 

See? Here's the common flaw with progressives...... Let's take a look at this statement here......

"It keeps money flowing in an economy" but the money is being confiscated from someone else which KEEPS THEM from putting the money THEY EARNED into the economy......

WHO has more of a right to determine WHAT they spend their money on?

A. The person who earned it

B. Some no name the state deems is more entitled(needy) to it that NEVER lifted a finger to earn it

Progressives ALWAYS choose B......

THIS is WHY I state progressives FEEL more entitled to YOUR earnings than the person who actually earned them.....

 

The wealthy aren't doing a DAMNED THING without collusion by elected officials. There's a REASON I don't vote for republicans or democrats.... Or at least who the corporate media chooses for you.....

 

Appealing to ignorance of our own laws is not a privilege or immunity for any civil Person in our republic.

 

The above poster will learn quickly I don't mince words..... Or they'll be real bored conversing with themselves.

 

Again, you're advocating an economic collapse which will hurt EVERYONE, including the people who are rich. Your viewpoint is stupid, based on something which is false, much like bible thumpers advocating laws based on scripture that are proven to both be unpopular, cost extra money in back end taxes etc.

So you've got nothing to say. You can't win on the actual facts of how a country works, you don't understand anything about the economy, and you SURELY don't realize that the people who earned all that money you want them to keep MADE THAT MONEY from SOCIETY, and it's a social contract to leave a little bit for the neighbors and benefits everyone when used correctly. I mean, this thread should just be locked because you have no idea what you're talking about, you're speaking out of your ass and using MORALS as a basis for your argument which makes no sense when it's an ECONOMIC issue.

By your basis, we should argue about something in science using a book of fiction as our source for our argument. It's dumb.

 

Well wait a minute here...... How is allowing the person who actually EARNED the money spend it on the economy as opposed to handing it to someone else( who didn't) going to CRASH the economy?

I see you're another one of these progressives that doesn't understand simple math so let me show you......

+$100 spent by poor person -(MINUS) $100 taken from my check=ZERO

You're arguing how a ZERO SUM equation is what drives the economy and without it the economy will collapse.....

 

Nancy Pelosi? Is that you?

 

to OP, no, we are certainly not created equal.

Many people are way better looking, smarter, stronger etc.. than others


and that gives them a great advantage

 

Nay. Capitalism involves giving people what they want/need for a price. Since there is no such thing as a free lunch, and since things are purchased voluntarily in a capitalist system, that statement is perfectly in line with capitalism.

 

Getting workers to produce more value than they are paid is how you make it in capitalism.

When you buy one of those toys made in China, how much of the price you pay do you think the person who actually made it is getting?

 

A wage they applied for that was better then they could get elsewhere I am guessing. Not sure how it works in far left nations. That is how it works here in a capitalist one.

 

And how do you get a worker to produce more value then what they get paid? that worker has free will he is not a slave. if that worker produces more value then what he gets paid that is the fault of the worker not the one paying him

China isn't capitalism

 

How? You just do. The question wasn't whether or not it should happen on an idealistic level... it was just a response to what makes Capitalism work.

He's also not a mechanical robot that can just shut down for awhile if nobody is paying what he wants. People have to eat, so sometimes they have to take what they can get.

Actually, if that worker got paid equal to the value of what he produces, then he probably wouldn't get a job, because in that case, his employer isn't making a profit.

Yeah, I know... it's a Communist government, which means technically everything is owned by the people, which has some advantages in terms of how they've implemented it, because they can stop oligarcs and monopolists from taking over key aspects of the national infrastructure that everyone needs, however, unlike the Soviets, who ran a Planned Economy, the Chinese have let that part of their system go Free Enterprise.

Yes Virginia, you can have Communism with Free Enterprise, (just like you can have Capitalism with a Planned Economy, like the German Nazis had). Lots of Americans get confused by that, because they don't teach economics in high school the way Europeans and Asians do.

Speaking of American education (and yes, I know this is a bit off-topic, but it sort of fits into the theme of "created equal"), you'll often hear debate about the quality of American education. Some say it's the best in the world, while others say it's down there around 14th place.

Actually, the way it works is, if you take away the inner-city schools, with their armed security in the halls and graphiti on the lockers, then what's left is a system that produces the best educated kids in the world. It's the inner-city schools that are dragging the stats down.

Imagine how terrible those inner-city schools must be to be able to drag the national average down to 14th place when without them the US is number one.

If some well organized charity really wants to have an impact, it would be to set up private schools in the country with good teachers and good accomodations and then grant scholarships to inner-city kids who are bright enough that they'd do well if they could attend a good school, and get them the heck out of the inner-cities and into an environment where they can eat a good meal and study in peace.

 

if you take 10 dollars from a store owner and give it to one of his customers in the store to spend which that customer does did the store owner make any money did his business grow caused by that transaction. No it doesn't the store owner actually lost money because he still has to pay his employees that made that transaction

 

we have no forced labor in the US

if your only option is to work for less then your perceived value that is the workers fault for not having a value that there is a demand for
Workers are like a product your only worth is what someone is willing to pay for. if no one wants to buy the product for its perceived worth that is the fault of the product not the consumers

when you go to sell your used car what is its true value? what you think it is or what the customer will pay for it?

 

Actually, it's the rich that convince the poor to consume. Non-consumers are regarded as suspicious and inferior. That's why law-abiding homeless people are kicked out of malls.

If a poor person buys a big screen TV instead of paying their rent, there's obviously a problem going on. Maybe you could be a critical thinker and ask yourself why a person with $600 in the bank would buy a $500 TV. Maybe it's because of a culture that issues $600 stimulus checks and tells them to spend it on junk to keep the producers happy?

 

people have free will at least here in the US they do. If someone buys a 500 dollar TV with 600 in the bank that is the fault of the one buying the TV not the one who sold it to them

Typical liberal always thinking that people are to ignorant for there own good there for they need to be controlled and told what to do and how to do it from the elites in government

 

Our housekeeper who only finished high school does this everyday, and raises her own children, looks after her husband and takes care of her own apartment.

 

He doesn't play that way. He'll demand you answer his question, and totally avoid your question to him. Conservatives hate to play on defense, because there's no defense for their ideology.

 

You also avoid answering direct questions.