Are we created equal?

The super-wealthy that you champion so much exist because of these poor people who are willing to hand them over $500 for a TV that they don't even need. There is a reason why they are poor, and why there is reification in a culture of poverty.

Conservatives just love to take their frustrations out on poor people. They love to tell a person on welfare how they should eat, where they should eat, what they should eat... and that's just eating -- they also love to dictate if they should bus, own a car, have another child, etc. This is your "free will" in action.

Many people can't keep up in a sink-or-swim society. This condition is called "poverty", and it's the result of uncontrolled capitalism, which makes them victims of extreme capitalism. With extreme capitalism comes extreme poverty. Ironically, extreme poverty creates social programs, so capitalism brings socialism.

 

Under law, all are created equal, because the law we created says so.

 

Limp argument, he was talking about the French refugees, not US citizens, and I am surprised you can find this BB, little lone a copy of the constitution.

 

they are only a victim of their own ignorance

And that is the trade off for dependency. the hand that feeds you has power over you. you cant have it both ways you cant be dependent and be free

if you give some one every opportunity and tools to learn how to swim and they refuse to learn how then I have no petty when they sink that was their decision

 

Yes, you do regressive, but is a lame attempt at avoiding the issue of if we are created equal. We left Europe for America because people were not treated equal. We have a Declaration of Independence because we were not treated equally. We have a constitution of the WE THE PEOPLE, not ME THE INDIVIDUAL, so get over it.

 

Hmm, limp argument. When did this "every opportunity" occur? It was never "given." So your whole premise is false. Just rise up ignorant people and kill the bastoids as a lesson to future thieves and cut throats of the American people.

 

She asked for proof and I gave it to her assuming she could answer the question honestly. Instead of simply answering the question she decided to play games.

 

So, if we created a law that stated we didn't, we wouldn't be?

Laws are the end result of values/morals, not the beginning.

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You're NOT addressing the quote properly. He could find NO article that gives the government the RIGHT/POWER to spend on "benevolence". Do you know what benevolence is? Social welfare.

 

Yeah, I was trying to figure out who these American progressives were who keep insisting everyone should enjoy the same standard of living. That's far off from what I've heard, but I'm sure he will come back with some links soon enough.

 

So, what was the point behind wealth redistribution again? Progressive taxation? You know? What every progressive supports?

I guess you justify it by claiming "I don't want EXACTLY equal standards of living".

 

I agree that poverty brings ignorance -- it always will. This ignorance is easy to exploit. That's why poor people vote Republican. It's why poor people use their rent money to buy TV's. It's why poor people have been duped into believing that the middle class should give money to the poor, but to the rich because it will magically trickle down to the poor. The poor have been waiting 30 years for that trickle.

I agree wit this also. However, there are a few problems with this systemic punishment of the poor:

• Many people's poverty is caused by forced beyond their control (bad luck).
• Many people, such as those with mental handicaps, can't succeed and will always be poor.
• The fact that they rely on taxpayers to help them doesn't give taxpayers license to punish them.

It's easy to sit back and complain about those 'bums' rather than help them -- especially if they are your folk devil who you can blame society's woes on.

How much could it cost to make a person on welfare employable? They may need:

• Front teeth
• A suit for a job interview
• Reading skills
• Medication

This could cost thousands of dollars. Are you willing to flip the bill for that?

This lack of compassion is a common theme from the right. This eagerness to blame the poor for not only their problems, but for society's problems as a whole. As moral entrepreneurs, you've decided that people who can't keep up in this fast-paced society should be punished for it by assuming that it was their choice, then disallowing them financial compensation if they can't keep up. Society isn't broken.. .their attitude is broken.

I have worked with the poor and can tell you that the stories of welfare recipients who have big screen TVs and iPhones are very rare. Some people exploit the system, but you can't punish the whole group for it. If you go to a poor community, you're more likely to hear stories of malnourishment children, imprisonment, debt, addiction, mental illness, and a host of other problems that create social exclusion in a capitalist society.

Society is full of people taking medication for pain and depression and still can't keep up in the capitalist engine. As the pace continues to increase, there will be more of these people who can't keep up... more people for you to blame, demonize and manage.

There may be less incentive in a socialist society, but there is also no poverty. It's attitudes like yours that make me wonder if socialism isn't for the best. I'd be completely fine with capitalism if we'd all agree that some people just won't be able to keep up and need some extra help. Instead, they are punished, and this is cruel.

 

To close off some of the massive gap between the upper class and the lower class. That's not even close to the notion of equal standards of living for everybody.

You knew that already, of course, but without hyperbole, you don't really have all that much to say.

 

No you have it backwards ignorance brings on poverty

I agree with helping the ones because of physacal or mental disabilities cant help them selves

the list you provided wasn't there at birth that list was created because they made (*)(*)(*)(*) poor decisions in life like dropping out of school or getting hooked on drugs and alcohol having sex and getting pregnant as a child and the list goes on and on. the majority of the poor are poor because of the decisions they have personally made. Im not saying the made the decision to be poor but the (*)(*)(*)(*) poor decisions they did make caused the poverty

◾80 percent of poor households have air conditioning. In 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
◾92 percent of poor households have a microwave.
◾Nearly three-fourths have a car or truck, and 31 percent have two or more cars or trucks.
◾Nearly two-thirds have cable or satellite TV.
◾Two-thirds have at least one DVD player, and 70 percent have a VCR.
◾Half have a personal computer, and one in seven have two or more computers.
◾More than half of poor families with children have a video game system, such as an Xbox or PlayStation.
◾43 percent have Internet access.
◾One-third have a wide-screen plasma or LCD TV.
◾One-fourth have a digital video recorder system, such as a TiVo.

 

nope, you can't read context of 1 sentence, sorry for you. You see the founders didn't have a problem with the general welfare clause, they created a US bank. They discussed schools, etc. as falling within the clause, and so much more. So get over yourself & that delusionary view you have.

 

No that is exactly what your conclusions are as in the past as have been explained and never refuted.




A false assertion followed by a false claim. What a surprise!

But go ahead. Since you claim you've already "refuted" the "fallacious nonsense" in my post, it should be easy to prove me wrong by stating exactly what I wrote in my post that you claim is "fallacious nonsense" and why. I made it easy for you by re-posting my post for you above.

Oh I have met the many chances, still waiting for you to prove that revenue growth did not slow from 9% down to 7% after the Clinton tax hikes and that Obama did not sign the 2009 Omnibus Spending bill with it's $1,400B deficit and that Reagan requested more spending each year than Congress authorized.

 

That you disagree does not change the meaning of the Constitution and the three parties it addresses.

The UNITED STATES
The STATES
The PEOPLE

 

I knew those were Heritage Foundation lies even before I did a search. You're stubbornly eager to blame poor people for their circumstance, so I see no reason to continue this.

When I talk about poverty, I'm not just talking about income; I'm mostly talking about relative deprivation (having less than the mean) or, as mentioned previously, exclusion (being denied access to means).

People with jacuzzis are not poor, regardless of their income.

 

/yawn

Nice justification for stealing.

 

Of course they didn't. They created the clause...... Amazingly, there WAS no such thing as social welfare from the guys you claim supported it.....

 

So you are saying America had workers until corporations manipulated government, sent factory's to foreign country's, off shored the wealth so it wasn't available in banks to creates business's, loans for homes, schools, cars, etc., have a stock market full of non productive parasites that steal a workers profits he needs for wages and benefits from his table, off shores the wealth so banks have no money to loan, etc.

So don't complain about social safety nets, you conservatives created the need for them. Those assclowns you elected understand that, they know you will be funding the social services for the rich, you will be paying workers their wages, and you will be paying their families medical as well.

 

Then why can the state tax us at force?

 

Because the original intention of our government was protecting our individual rights against those who would use force to take them away, and promote the general welfare, both of which cannot be done by individuals alone.

Then progressives came in and subverted the constitution into some unlimited quasi-Marxist nanny state, taking from those who earn by force and handing to those who didn't.

 

No, whites are vastly superior to any other race.

 

Respond to the wrong thread?

 

Limp response that repeats what he already said. Glad you agree with him.