Human rights violations in North Korea

Whether we know them to have nukes is immaterial, because whether they do or not, the need to strike them and destroy is there, and it won't go away if they have nukes later or already.

But it's a situation where waiting only hurts.. If they have nukes now, it could just be a couple. They will only increase their supply, and strike range, as time goes on.

So attack them now, no matter what. Obviously plan for the worst case scenario, by making sure you are covering as many directions for missile paths if you can.

Although, on other thing is changing w/time.The People's UNdemocratic Tyranny of Korea have been very successful in keeping their affairs secret from the world and from their people. But as technology grows, so will the difficulty of the government keeping a lid on things.

With things like high data on tiny devices, instantaneous upload to the internet etc. they are struggling, and we've actually now got documentaries shot from North Korea, outside the official tourist trail. Soon, with airborne drones that have the size, appearance and behavior of an insects, and perhaps with many of the spying innovations done by the NSA, more people at home and in NK will know the real story.

 

China would also conceivably be concerned about having a US client state with US military bases on it's border, should the regime in North Korea fall.

Just as Russia might see the Ukraine as a ''buffer state'' between them and the US ''sphere of influence,'' China might see North Korea in the same way.

 

The regime in North Korea rules by fear, and by brainwashing it's citizens. So I wouldn't be so sure as to how they might act in any given situation. It might not be so easy, or even seem rational to the people of North Korea, to turn against a regime that they have been so brainwashed into praising and supporting.

 

I don't think you can compare North Vietnam to the DPRK.

No. They have monitored missile launches which they worry about because they know just how badly built they are, that debris could hit Japan.
As for the underground tests. They could of been simulated because the only they can tell is through seismographic monitoring.

If that's the case then every single person that deals with the DPRK from the UN to diplomatic staff is doing just that.
And don't tell me what I am and not doing.

 

Sorry but we are already in South Korea and Australia. Water isn't going to stop a US invasion of China if we were dumb enough to invade China. That's not China's big worry. Or is it Russia's. Those reasons hold no weight with todays technology.

 

Sanctions would have to be imposed on the parent (China) to have any impact.

 

You underestimate North Korea the way Johnson underestimated North Vietnam. In order to get a seismographic reading on the scale that has been seen in NK they would have to use a trillion tons of dynamite. We'd be able to know whether Nk purchased that amount or not. They didn't. So only a nuclear detonation could have caused the readings found. And this is a forum. Not a politically correct organization like the UN or any diplomatic staff. So let's just be fair to the North Korean people and call it the way it is. North Korea is an extreme communist dictatorship insane asylum. Period.

 

No need to apologise.

That is rather the point.

I am not saying that the US intends to ''invade China.''

Regardless of technology, US policy of building military bases as close as possible to China, and Russia too, is quite clear. It is also understandable why Russia and China might not be entirely comfortable with the US doing so. Just as for example the US might not be entirely comfortable with Russia building military bases in Mexico or Canada, or even in Cuba.

 

Could it be that Russia and China themselves seek unhindered expansion?

 

By not intervening right now I believe the west is working to it's time table, not Korea. Anyone goes in, China is going to react under the wrong circumstances. China jumps, Western powers jump, we have the same circumstances as lead to WW1

 

There is no evidence to suggest that either Russia (since the collapse of the USSR) or China, seek to dominate any country outwith their respective regions. China has never sought expansion outwith it's region, and the USSR abandoned it's ideology of global domination after Trotsky.

Whereas there is plenty of evidence to show that the US seeks unhindered expansion, of it's ''sphere of influence'' including military bases, just like the UK did before.

 

What is the comparison? I'm not an American nor am a president.

No that's not true at all. The last test conducted in 2013 measured between 6-9KT's which is possible and both the ROK and Japan have been unable to confirm whether it was a genuine nuclear test.

They have a sizeable arms industry and of course it would still be possible to buy from China.

You can call it whatever you want for whatever reason.

You're entitled to your opinion. Full stop(.)

 

It will be the South China Sea that will bring about a war with China. China sees NK as a problem for them as well. China fears a nuclear armed NK as much as anyone does. If the UN gets behind it's latest report on NK, we should be able to build a large coalition with the support of China. It really is up to the UN at this point to take the lead and do the job they were set up to do.

 

So you believe NK really is the People's Democratic Republic. Well, I guess you re entitled to your opinion as well. May I suggest you watch the many documentaries on Netflix about NK? Unless of course you think all those documentaries are lies.

 

Of course America wants to spread it's capitalist ideology around the world. You can't trade with unstable terrorist economies. You can also thank America for protecting the shipping routes throughout the world so the world can get their goods. Maybe you can push your country to help pay for this expenditure?

 

Yes. China wants North Korea to be a buffer between them and American-friendly South Korea.

 

No. I never said that, but it is what it's called.

Yes you may. Although I don't watch Netflix.

I don't if they are yet, do I?

I noticed you haven't addressed my previous statement about the possibility of a faux nuclear explosion.

 

I would imagine a scenario not dissimilar to that facing Societ troops in WW2, who were followed into battle by political commissars (NKVD) to ensure they didn't falter. If they did, they were shot.
We can thank the internet for showing those able to gain access to it in North Korea that the world outside is far more healthy than the awful, repressive and paranoid state they live in. The more exposure they get to the outside world the less of a hold the regime will have; of that I am convinced.
Whether we'll see brave souls risking their lives for a chance of freedom is another matter.

 

Shades of Hitler, Stalin and Mao Zedong in China.

 

Exactly. It is because not everyone wants it, that it is spread by the use of force.

The countries we have recently invaded or supported ''rebels'' in, were more stable before we intervened than they are now.

You can't buy the rights to natural resources in foreign countries, if their governments ''socialise'' them. You can't buy oil with dollars, from countries that won't accept them.

Who would you say all these aircraft carriers and foreign naval bases, are protecting shipping routes from?

Absent any aggression towards them, which countries do you think would choose to close any shipping routes, if it wasn't for the US ''protecting'' them?

 

up till now we've heard only one side, the West, but to judge about NK we need to hear from NK, right?

i mean, look what bull$hit West media was saying about Russia and Sotchi Olympics recently, this might have been used on North Korea too.

 

Hear from the NK Gov, or the people speaking freely without repercussion?

 

What was the BS the western media was saying about Sotchi and the olympics?

 

Hoxha did that in Albania, where is he now ?

 

neither West media speaks freely, its the mouthpiece of West tycoons actually, so why not hear from NK all the same?