Religion is concrete, while agnosticism/atheism is abstract

A baseless opinion.

 

Correct and that's a far cry from being backwards.

Only Spiritual growth and exploration.

This portion of your post doesn't make sense. Please clarity your
statement. Maybe punctuation would help.

 

Yeah, I'd say the religious are substituting false answers to try settling the big questions. Scientists may enjoy not knowing all the answers (because it gives them something to research and theorise about), but others are apparently bothered by not knowing.

 

That's good but the Catholic doesn't always agree with Christianity.

 

No they don't. That's a misconception. God of Judeo-Christianity isn't the same god
that Mohammad invented. Therefore they can't be compared as the same.

The Qu'ran, made up by one man, contradicts the Bible, written by many under
the inspiration of God over some 1,500 years. God wouldn't contradict himself.

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Not at all. Can you provide evidence it's a baseless opinion and not
fact?

 

Yet, the Bible is built upon the Torah, and the Qur'an is built upon the Bible.

Yet the Bible contradicts itself some 400+ times. As you were saying that god wouldn't contradict himself? How about a start with the contradictory Genesis 1 and Genesis 2?

 

If one asked you what jesus' last words were, what would you say?

Jesus' last words
Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

so "God wouldn't contradict himself.", you still believe that?... there are many more examples, guess the bible is not God's words


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The Bible is partly built on the Torah and the Qur'an isn't. Mohammad invented the
Qur'an,

There are no contradictions in the Bible. If you care to put them up I'll gladly
shoot them down without a sweat.

 

If your point is to show contradiction there isn't any in these verses. If it's not about
contradiction then I don't know why you posted it.

 

Really? Odd. The Old Testament is shared. As is some of the New Testament. Scholars seem to agree. But one myth is more valid than the other, right?

Start with Genesis, and then we will move to the other some 390.

 

lol, you can lead a horse to water.... but you can't make him drink.....

so I asked you... .what were Jesus's last words before he gave up the ghost....?

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I said partly built. But I adamantly said that the Qur'an was invented by Mohammad
and he may have plagiarized some of the Old Testament.

In other words you don't have any? I've never seen a so-called contradiction
that wasn't soundly defeated. But if you think you might have one then put
it up.

Oh, there are some popular lists on the Internet. They've all been debunked.

 

You listed some them. What's the problem?

Maybe this will help.

Jesus' Last Words

 

lol, should be a simple answer, but you can't answer it because the bible gives conflicting accounts

this

" he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

and this

"It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."


can not both be true, one or the other.... take your pick....

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Yet, they are built on each other. It the Qur'an built on sillyness and falsehoods in the same way as the Bible and the Torah?

Actually, I clearly and concisely mention Genesis 1 and 2. If you are intellectually incapable of addressing the blatant contridictions in both, I will understand. However, lets not pretend that I did not mention a series of Biblical contradiction. There are over 400, I do not require much effort to cite such. Citing the first two chapters of the creation myth just makes it more fun.

 

The Gospels contradict each other. lol You can use whatever apologetics (that render god either too stupid or weak to write a simple book) you like, however, the Gospels do not mesh. They are at odds. So which Crucifixion account is correct? Mark, Matthew, Luke or John?

 

I see you didn't bother to read the link I gave you. Maybe you it conflicted with what
you want to believe. I don't know.

There is no contradiction or conflict. What you posted in all accounts were the last
words of Jesus on the cross.

 

Okay, I get it. You don't have any.

They are all correct and without contradiction. I've been showing this to
freshair.

 

Er, the burden of proof is on you.

 

My god, read your (*)(*)(*)(*)ing book:

1. God created the universe from matter / nothing.

WIS 11:17, For not without means was your almighty hand, that had fashioned the universe from formless matter .... (NAB)
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JOH 1:3, All things came to be through him, and without him nothing came to be. (NAB)
HEB 11:3, By faith we understand that the universe was ordered by the word of God , so that what is visible came into being through the invisible. (NAB)


2. Elohim / Jehovah created heaven and earth.

GEN 1:1, In the beginning God* created the heaven and the earth.
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GEN 2:4, These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God* made the earth and the heavens,
* "God" is the translation for "Elohim." "LORD God" is the translation for "Adonai YHWH (Jehovah)." LXX uses "God" in both verses. NAB and TAN agree with KJV. - p.b.


3. God alone / and Jesus created heaven and earth.

GEN 1:1, In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
ISA 44:24, Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
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JOH 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. ... 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him , and the world knew him not. ... 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us
1COR 8:6, yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom all things are and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and through whom we exist.


4. Heaven was / was not prepared for believers during the creation. [H, 417]

MAT 25:34, Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
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JOH 14:2, In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.


5. Heaven and Earth were created in three days / one day.

GEN 1:6, And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth ; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. ... 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
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GEN 2:4, These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.


6. God separated light and darkness on the first / fourth day.

GEN 1:3, And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
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GEN 1:16, And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.


7. The earth is set upon pillars / foundations / the seas / nothing. [H, 429]

1SAM 2:8, ... the pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set the world upon them.
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PSA 104:1, Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. ... 5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
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PSA 24:1, The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. 2 For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods.
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JOB 26:7, He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.


8. God created fowl from water / earth.

GEN 1:20, And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
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GEN 2:19, And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air.


9. Humans were created after / before plants grew in the earth.

GEN 1:11-13, And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day. ... 26-27 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
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GEN 2:4-9, These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; ....


10. Humans were created after / before other living creatures. [B, 58]

GEN 1:20, And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, who the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. ... 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. ... 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
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GEN 2:7, And the LORD God formed man ... 19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air;


11. Woman was created at the same time / after man was created. [H, 159]

GEN 1:27, So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. ... 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
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GEN 2:7, And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground. ... 19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; ... 22 And the rib, who the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.


12. Man was made in / acquired God's image. [H, 158]

GEN 1:27, So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; ....
GEN 5:1, ... In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
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GEN 3:5, For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. ... 22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:


13. God's image is male / male and female.
(A sexual identity issue?)

GEN 2:7, And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. ... 22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
GEN 9:6, ... in the image of God made he man.
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GEN 1:27, So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
GEN 5:2, Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. [Italics mine. - p.b.]


14. Man is / None are like God. [H, 159]

GEN 1:26, And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
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ISA 40:25, To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.


15. Man's life comes from the breath / blood.

GEN 2:7, And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
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DEU 12:23, Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood is the life; and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh.


16. Man is / is not preeminent among creatures.

GEN 1:26, And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
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ECC 3:19, For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.


17. Man may eat no / some / any animals. [B, 45; H, 246]

GEN 1:29, And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. [God was speaking to Adam. - p.b.]
[SEE ALSO: ROM 14:21]
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DEU 14:7, Nevertheless these ye shall not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof; therefore they are unclean unto you. 8 And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase. ... 10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you. ... 12 But these are they of which ye shall not eat: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray, 13 And the glede, and the kite, and the vulture after his kind, [etc.] ....(KJV) [God was speaking to Moses. - p.b.]
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GEN 9:3, Every creature that lives shall be yours to eat. (TAN) [God was speaking to Noah. - p.b.]
MAR 7:18, And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; 19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
LUK 10:8, And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:
[SEE ALSO: MAR 7:18-19; ROM 14:2; 1COR 10:25; 1TIM 4:1-5]


18. Adam was / was not allowed to eat everything in the garden of Eden.

GEN 1:29, God said, See, I give you every seed-bearing plant, that is upon all the earth, and every tree which has seed-bearing fruit; they shall be yours for food. (TAN)
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GEN 2:17, But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. (KJV)


19. God condemned / forgave Adam for eating from the tree. [H, 393]

GEN 2:16, And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
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GEN 5:4, And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: 5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.


20. God made man upright / sinful.

ECC 7:29, Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright;
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PSA 51:5, Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.


21. Adam / Eve is to blame for original sin.

ROM 5:12, Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: ... 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. ... 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
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1TIM 2:14, And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.


22. Worship of the LORD began with Cain & Abel / Seth.

GEN 4:3, And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. 4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
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GEN 4:26, And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.


23. There were only / more than three people in the world when God marked Cain.

GEN 4:1, Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. 2 And she again bare his brother Abel. ... 8 ... Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
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GEN 4:14, ... it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. 15 ... And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.


24. Cain will wither / thrived after leaving the presence of the Lord.

GEN 4:11, And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; 12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
JUDE 1:11, Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
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GEN 4:16, And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. 17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.


25. Clean and unclean animals were defined in Noah's / Moses' day.

GEN 7:1-3, And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
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DEU 5:1, And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them....
DEU 14:7-8, Nevertheless these ye shall not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof; therefore they are unclean unto you. 8 And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.... 10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you. [etc.] ....


26. Noah did / did not take two of every animal into the ark.
27. Noah took fourteen / two of every clean beast. [H, 387]

GEN 6:18, ... you and your sons, your wife and your son's wives, shall go into the ark. 19 Of all other living creatures you shall bring two into the ark, one male and one female, that you may keep them alive with you. (NAB)
GEN 7:2, Of every clean animal, take with you seven pairs,* a male and its mate; and of the unclean animals, one pair, a male and its mate. (NAB)
GEN 7:8, Of the clean animals, of the animals that are not clean, of the birds, and of everything that creeps on the ground, 9 two of each, male and female, came to Noah into the ark, as God had commanded Noah. (TAN)
GEN 7:15, Pairs of all creatures in which there was the breath of life entered the ark with Noah. 16 Those that entered were male and female, and of all species they came, .... (NAB)
* "seven pairs" is the contrasting phrase for both contradictions.
http://www.1001biblecontradictions.com/I1a - HOJ [1-27].html

We will start with 27, some 6% of the contradictions present in the Bible.

 

yet again you could not answer the simple question, could you... lol

 

Is that a statement/declaration or a question?

 

a little of both I would say... was the question answered, what were jesus's last words... simple question really

just hard to answer as the bible gives conflicting answers

if I were answering it, I would have to say "I don't know as the bible gives conflicting answers"

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I would say no, your questions are answered. You just think they are, base on faith. Perhaps blind, but you put your own bias and belief into it so you don't view it as blind faith. But step away and look from completely outside you.

 

Well, the reason I asked the question of you, is because when someone does not use proper punctuation when writing, it makes their display difficult to determine whether they are making a statement or presenting a question.

Your response to me indicates two things. 1: as a question, your statement would indicate a level of uncertainty within you pertaining to the otherwise declaratory statement. 2: as a declaration, then the onus of proof would be upon you to show proof that "yet again you could not answer the simple question,"


My guess is that he could answer the question. Perhaps not to your liking, but your liking it is neither here nor there.