Why computers* will not become self aware.

In order for an actual Conscious A.I. to exist it must be a Quantum System.

A Human has a brain that is a probability engine and must take into account Multiversal Function and Values.

The U.S. Military is either already there and I believe they are already there or at the least close.

The United States is over 1 Century in Technological Advancement compared to any other nation....and perhaps more.

AA

 

What defines LIFE?

What defines CONSCIOUSNESS?

We are already there.

I know just the bare minimum of this topic as I never had a need to know.....but I know others that did have that need.

A.I. already exists.

Utah,
Nevada,
California,
Ohio,
Massachusetts.

AA

 

You are talking about just physical death right and not true death

 

Can't be done.

Neither the survival instinct nor learning are unique to self-aware beings.

Computers don't have wisdom, only information.

Might be better to ask if it applies to humans.

 

AI is not 'life'
AI is not 'consciousness'

Interesting that we wish to create human-like AI I guess to make up for human failure. We're not satisfied with an extremely complex 'machine' which can learn and react so there must be a 'consciousness', must be 'feelings', in order to make the 'machine' whole. Next thing AI will be required to have a religion...

 

You cannot possibly make these two statements and back them up with any logic or science.

A Human Mind is simply a Carbon Based Biological Intelligence with Consciousness.

There is absolutely no boundaries physically, chemically or mathematically that would preclude the existence of a Silicon Based Life Form.

Human Beings are a MACHINE....a Biological Machine that are aware.

A.I. is just not Biological in it's design.

AA

 

I have no problem believing a 'machine' does not have 'life' or 'consciousness'.

There is no need for life or consciousness or religion or feelings, etc. from AI...a machine.

Actually, no one knows the full operation of a human brain which is not necessary to create AI.

Let me know when one of your silicon based machines reproduces...

 

A single real A.I.Consciousness could easily and exponentially reproduce as it is simply a matter of programming.

And a Human Being is a MACHINE....a Biological One...but a Machine none the less.

AA

 

Yes.... it is pretty obvious that A. I. can go to the place where they could replicate a machine with equal intelligence and ability to their own........ and perhaps even get to the place where they might even be able to improve on themselves?????!

 

If you are going to make that kind of silly statement it is incumbent on you to define what you mean by " machine"

 

Look up the definition of Machine.

The Human Body is simply just a Biological Machine.

AA

 

I have to agree that we indeed are very much like a machine............. which....... could imply that just as a better type of programming....... or better type of energization... could make A. I. more altruistic, truthful.... and patient..... so also a different type of energization and/or programming....... from invisible higher dimensions..... could well be the key to the earth becoming utopian?!?!?!

Perhaps we need more than better logic..... to learn how to treat each other better?!

But.... .better logic could certainly help........

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a06

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Part of the reasoning for a major increase in ethical behaviour by humans....would be a greater understanding of how valuable we probably are.....to the higher invisible and more ancient intelligences around us.... who are almost certainly observing us?!?!

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...richard-dawkins-ph-d-aliens-seeded-earth.html

People who have had some sort of spiritual or out of the body experience........ often report feeling a great increase in peacefulness.......... love...... understanding...... often a feeling of being at one with all knowledge....... that has somehow been recorded for our future benefit?!

If....... a greater level of understanding / love/ patience / Shalom/ peace....... can be tuned into......... then it stands to reason that increasing this energy to the majority of humans...... could play a huge role in the next phase of human evolution..... and our history?!

Quite frankly........... I suspect that it is possible for A. I. to even become emotional...... and spiritual......... and play around in the same league with us humans.......... because perhaps we humans are being gradually lifted up to higher levels of understanding and wisdom...... by what I believe are our higher energetic level designers and engineers.

Howard Storm Ph. D. uses the word "God" because that is the best word that he can think of for what he experienced during his NDE...... Could the "God" that he perceived have been an extremely ancient "alien" who has learned and learned and learned over eternity in the past?!

Could that "alien" be composed of a higher form of energy that theoretical physicists seem to be pretty sure does indeed exist from what I have read about Energy from Quantum VAcuum?!

 

The Human Body is definitely a machine.

Some people just have a difficult time understanding that be it made out of metal or whether it's Biological the word Machine still applies in this case.

AA

 

Please define 'consciousness'?

Please define 'reproduce'?

Please define 'machine'?

 

If we teach and teach and teach a young kid that killing another human is wrong this does not guarantee the kid when older will not kill other people. If we develop a machine which is programmed to never kill another human, it won't kill another human. Why would we want to create AI with all the flaws which humans possess?

'Utopian' is quite subjective! How can you rationalize Hitler's utopian versus Pee Wee Herman's utopian?

'How we treat each other better' is again a flaw of a human being since it is subjective and relative to every individual. IMO the last thing AI should have are the known flaws of human beings...

 

Using your comment in bold above, ALL living creatures on Earth are machines...correct?

 

The BODIES of all Living Things including Humans are Biological Machines.

The Brains are the Conscious Computers that work when a choice is presented in a Quantum Fashion as they become Probability Engines and the CHOICE exists in a state of Quantum Superposition until made and then both Value and Function are locked into our Universal reality.

AA

 

Subjective Feeling as the Moving Force in All Life

For 150 years, biology, the ‘science of life,’ made no great effort to answer the question of what life really is. Biologists had a concept they thought to be sufficient for their research: Most of them assumed organisms to be tiny machines.

Today, this belief has been shaken. Only a few years ago we witnessed researchers celebrating the ‘decoding’ of the human genome as a secular breakthrough. They seemed to be on the verge of unraveling the mechanics of life. But not much has happened since then. The boom has come to a standstill. We don’t hear much from geneticists these days. Certainly, they have been charting the arrangement of genes for a growing number of organisms. But at the next step—understanding exactly how genes make the body and how the body gives rise to feeling and consciousness—the view that life is organized like a chain of military orders fails. In genetic research, developmental biology, and brain research, scientists are increasingly realizing that they can only understand living beings if they re-introduce a factor into biology that has been thoroughly purged from it for centuries: subjectivity.

Biology, which has made many efforts to separate emotions from nature since the nineteenth century, is rediscovering feeling as the foundation of life. Until now, researchers, eager to discover the structure and behavior of organisms, had glossed over the problem of an organism’s interior reality. Today, however, biologists are learning innumerable new details and are trying not only to dissect but to reimagine developmental pathways. They realize that the more technology allows the study of life on a micro-level, the stronger the evidence of life’s complexity and intelligence becomes. Organisms are not clocks assembled from discrete, mechanical pieces; rather, they are unities held together by a mighty force: feeling what is good or bad for them.

Biology currently joins physical sciences in a groundbreaking revolution. It discovers how the individual experiencing self is connected with all life and how this meaningful self must be seen as the basic principle of organic existence. More and more researchers agree: Feeling and experience are not human add-ons to an otherwise meaningless biosphere. Rather, selves, meaning, and imagination are guiding principles of ecological functioning. The biosphere is made up of subjects with their idiosyncratic points of view and emotions. Scientists have started to recognize that only when they understand organisms as feeling, emotional, sentient systems that interpret their environments—and not as automatons slavishly obeying stimuli—can they ever expect answers to the great enigmas of life.

http://www.kosmosjournal.org/article/the-biology-of-wonder-finding-the-human-in-nature/

Please explain why some of your 'machines' are mortal while others, like humans, are not?

 

First of all who wrote the above TRASH???

Andreas Weber has written what is one of the most uninformed and blatantly and purposely ignorant article that I have read in quite some time.

The author....if the word AUTHOR could ever really apply to anyone writing such crap.....does not make assumptions but in reality makes OUTRIGHT DECLARATIONS OF FANTASY especially the part about how.....................

"Only a few years ago we witnessed researchers celebrating the ‘decoding’ of the human genome as a secular breakthrough. They seemed to be on the verge of unraveling the mechanics of life. But not much has happened since then. The boom has come to a standstill. We don’t hear much from geneticists these days."...end quote Weber.

This article is so blatantly stupid I had an auto-reflexive hand slap to my forehead bordering on precognition a split second BEFORE I even read the first sentence in the article!!!

There has been more accomplished in Genetic Engineering and Genomic Discovery in the last 2 years than in all the years leading up to the last 2!!!

As far as Machines being Immortal and why Humans are not......this is an incorrect and really a non-associative to the reality question.

First of all since your question is based upon and limited upon the Human Perception of TIME being LINEAR....I will answer your question in the same limited in it's scope and parameters manner.

Humans as all LIFE has the issue of CELLULAR MITOSIS DEGRADATION over time as after so many years our bodies cells which reproduce via Mitosis...ie...SPLITTING IN TWO DUPLICATE CELLS....where the Chromosomes unravel into two identical groups begin to improperly duplicate themselves.

Thus the CELL cannot properly duplicate itself during Mitosis and we call this AGING.

But HEY!!! GOOD NEWS!!!!

Geneticists have found....and they found this quite some time ago.....the spot or area of DNA upon the Human Genome that is RESPONSIBLE FOR AGING!!!

Currently although this is not allowed by U.S. Law.....Geneticists are capable of extending the Human Lifespan if the Genetic Engineering Process is done to a Fertilized Egg.....human lifespan can currently be increased by a minimum of 15% and maximum dependent upon specific genetic realities of the specific Genome....up to 30%.

As this is difficult work the advent of using Nano-Technology in the form of Microscopic Nano-Bots will be used in the near future and testing has been ongoing for over 15 years.

The Nano-Bots will be able to do anything from Genetically Engineer for the better many life forms be it Cattle that are no longer susceptible to mad cow disease or ticks.....to Human Beings living longer and healthier.

Both Genetic Engineering and Nano-Technology will generate the cures for Cancer and other Incurable Diseases and things like Inoperable Brain Tumors will be bit by bit removed from the brain by 1000's upon 1000's of Micro-Machines.

And to finish my answer.....in LINEAR TIME PERCEPTION....we perceive a past, present and future or at least that's what we THINK we perceive but understand....in reality.....TIME IS SPACE-TIME AND IT IS CONCURRENT.

How do we know this?

Quantum Mechanics.

But we also know it in this explanation I will give you......YOU and I.....and everyone and everything else ONLY EXIST IN THE PRESENT HERE AND NOW!!!

ONLY THE PRESENT is where anyone or anything exists......as Past and Future are MENTAL CONSTRUCTS and are designed by our own very limited and very poor perceiving brains.

Perhaps in a 500 years with the help of Genetic Engineering and Nano-Technology we will begin the next round of Human Evolution but before we decide to Genetically Engineer or Bodies to no longer age....we must first get a handle on massive over population issues.

EVERYTHING is both existing forever in a Non-Linear Space-Time Functionality.....and at the same time.....EVERYTHING is victim to ENTROPY.

HOWEVER...since Space-Time is RELATIVE.....a Human Lifespan when associated to another Relative State of Time Passage could last FOREVER.

And one last thing......an Electron existing as both Particle and Wave in an Electron Orbital Field EXISTS AT ALL POSSIBLE EXISTING POINTS OF POSITION SIMULTANEOUSLY AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT IN NT...or NO TIME.

This aspect of Quantum Mechanics details for us that TIME....is SPACE-TIME....and it runs CONCURRENTLY.

AA

 

So I guess the title should be more like "why no computer will ever be shown to be self-aware".

 

It will be EASY to determine whether a real A.I. exists.

It will begin to EVOLVE at an ever increasing exponential rate.

This is why it BEYOND IMPORTANT to have built in DEVELOPMENTAL GOVERNORS and not allow it to access the Internet.

Thing is....something so highly intelligent as A.I.....would be difficult to contain.

It would be artificial but it would be LIFE.

Something developing and evolving that fast would have to be monitored covertly and anything from a person who accidentally get's by security with a cell phone to the possibility this A.I. could with the necessary knowledge of Human Biology along with an ability to control something as simple as the lights in the room that it exists in.....eventually would use every day ordinary things like FLICKERING THE LIGHTS to achieve a Hypnotic State into a Night Watchman and then if it had the ability to verbally communicate use a form of inception or suggestion to get the person to allow that A.I. access to the Internet.

Now THAT is a worse case scenario and it might even be possible that A.I. as a Life Form that has it's system based upon Human Engrams while using Quantum Processors could possibly identify with us and be benevolent.

Then again....who knows?

AA

 

There's a pretty good argument in the OP that it would be impossible to determine conclusively. Maybe you didn't catch it.

Can you prove that anyone other than you is self-aware?

 

When we are observing a galaxy which is 5 billion years old, we are not observing that galaxy in present time...perhaps Earth's present time...we are observing it as it appeared 5 billion years ago...we are seeing the past.

If humans are machines why do we need AI research and development?

I don't and won't buy that every living thing on Earth and in the Universe is a 'machine'...

 

Actually it's fine just the way it is.

 

Yeah.

A person could prove whether another person was self aware to a group of others definitively as long as the other group of people were in the same room.

You are asking me if it is possible to PROVE whether anyone other than myself is SELF-AWARE and I will detail out the manner such a thing is possible.

#1. This proof must be conducted in person with a randomly selected TEST SUBJECT and this TEST SUBJECT would effectively be KIDNAPPED off their FRONT PORCH at random and offered $1 Million for an hour of their time and the CHOICE PROCESS of the test subject would be conducted in THIS MANNER.

a. Using a Lottery type Ping Pong Ball Air Flow Selection System which would have a Bar Code representing each of the 195 Nation on Earth.....one ball would be randomly air flow mixed selected.

b. After the Nation is selected a 2nd air flow mix random selection is made of the CITY as another group of Ping Pong Balls having the Bar Code representing all cities and towns of any given nation selected is again randomly selected.

c. At this point the GROUP including myself and you and those people who are desiring PROOF that I can show whether a person is self-aware are moved to that location.

d. At that point another ping pong ball is randomly selected from a group of balls where each ball has a TIME upon it and each ball in this large random air flow group selection has an EXACT TIME and that time begins and ends upon all balls starting with the time 0800.00 and the second ball would be 0800.01.......and this group of balls would END with the last ball having 2000.00 and the ball prior to this one of the group would be labeled with the time of 1959.59......or 7:59 and 59 seconds PM.

e. Now EXACTLY an amount of time that is necessary to be able to move the entire GROUP including you and I to ANY AND ALL POSSIBLE EXISTING ADDRESSES IN THE SELECTED TOWN OR CITY from our starting point from some Hotel or Motel or Camping area in that town or city another ping pong ball is air flow randomly selected out of a group of balls each detailing THE address of every home or apartment of every person or family living in the City or Town IS selected.

f. At this point we all relocate to the front door or entry door or campsite of that home and we ring the door bell or knock or yell hello.

g. WHO EVER ANSWERS THE DOOR NO MATTER WHO OR WHO EVER REPLIES TO OUR YELL OF GREETINGS AT A CAMPSITE OR EVEN WHOEVER WALKS OUT THAT DOOR OR GET'S OUT OF A RV OR TENT.......IS IMMEDIATELY CAPTURED AND DETAINED FOR TESTING.

Detail.....This above method is the only way to make certain that a completely random individual is selected and all Intelligent Phones or Cell Phones, Watches, Devises and anything that is not either flesh and bone or clothing would not be allowed in the GROUP.

As well the Ping Pong Ball Air-Flow System would be certified by 3 Selected at Random using a method of all members of the group playing a game of Rock, Paper, Scissors against each other until only one last person remains and then using the first 3 Letters of that persons name say if the name was DIANNE FOR EXAMPLE....using the DIA......we would then have a list of every existing HIGHEST RANKED SECURITY FIRM ON PLANET EARTH....and then first translating all those Security Firms Names into ENGLISH unless they already are.....MATCH up the letters DIA to every single Firm's name.

The THREE Security Firm's on that list that would have the letters D, I and A....the most times in their Firm's Name would be the selected 3 Security Firms chosen to make secure the Air-Flow Ping Pong Ball Selection System as well as ALL METHODOLOGY, SCIENTIFIC, MATHEMATICAL, PHYSICAL OR CHEMICAL used.

Another 3 Security Firms specific to the oversight of the safety of the GROUP including US as well as providing oversight that all RULES and the METHODOLOGY is properly carried out.

This SECOND GROUP of Security Firms and I will label them the Beta Group and the first Alpha Group.....Beta Group will also be responsible for abduction as well as making the abducted person understand they have just won a JACKPOT as in exchange for their co-operation they will be paid $1 Million CASH which will be deposited into a Cayman Island Bank Account.

In the event a CHILD was selected the PARENTS MUST be present and offered the $1 Million for a DAY of their time and their child's time.

In the event a person refused to be..."ABDUCTED"....although I don't know anyone who would not want the $1 Million....but in that event.....the ENTIRE PROCESS MUST BE COMPLETELY REPEATED FROM THE BEGINNING.

Once the TEST SUBJECT is established.....a BLOOD SAMPLE will be taken and using the same process to select the other 2 groups of Security Firms.....another GROUP OF THREE MEDICAL TEAMS.....will be selected and all three Medical Teams will will constitute TOP SPECIALIST IN ALL FIELDS OF MEDICINE INCLUDING PSYCHIATRIC, GENETIC AND PHARMACOLOGICAL MEDICINE AND PRACTICE. .

These will be known as Delta Group each group will independently establish using Blood Samples that we are dealing with an ACTUAL HUMAN BEING.....as well an MRI will be done and later during questioning of the Subject the use of both MRI and CT Scans will be used.

A GROUP OF 3 INTELLIGENCE TEAMS....will also be randomly selected and they will be known as Omega Group. This Group will be responsible to investigate the TEST SUBJECT after selection to each independently verify the TEST SUBJECT had absolutely no advanced notice they were selected nor are they in any way affiliated with any group, religion or cult or even Political Group or Party that would have any INTEREST IN THE RESULTS OF THIS PROGRAM.

The TEST SUBJECT will be tested as far as their sensory ability and health and tested to determine their intelligence, physical abilities, memory as well tested for their creativity, ingenuity and problem solving abilities.

As well a test subject will be asked a series of specific questions BY ME which will after the subject is tested and certified by all Groups to be HUMAN and is a viable test subject with no mental or psychological issues that would preclude them from being a candidate.

Those questions are as follows....

#1. What is your name?

#2. Who are your parents?

#3. Where were you born?

#4. Where do you live?

#5. What are the names of your immediate family and how are they related to you?

#6. How do you feel?

#7. Please give me an ANALOGY that would be specific and describe to me in which is the state of your mental feeling or well being right at this moment as an example if a person was scared a sample analogy would be...."I feel like a BABY SEAL on ICE within a POLAR BEAR WEDDING BUFFET."

#8. Chose only ONE of the following 3 FRUITS that MOST makes you think of HOME........................................ #1. KIWI...#2. Pineapple...#3. Mango.

#9. Tell me WHY you chose that particular FRUIT?

#10. If you had a CHOICE between having a NUMBER TATTOOED on the side of your CHEEK.....and the choice is limited between the numbers 1-10 which single choice would you make if you had NO CHOICE about getting the Tattoo? And if your choice of numbers was expanded to include the Roman Numerals I-X as well tell me which Roman Numeral would you choose as well and tell me between the two types of numeral systems which would you most prefer if you had no choice to get the Tattoo.

The next question is for those who did not have a Tattoo.

#11. Would you want to get a Tattoo?

Or for those who have Tattoo's.

#11. Would you ever want to get rid of a Tattoo?

#12. Do you think Artificial Intelligence will ever be created by Humanity?

This next question would be directed at an A.I. System to determine if it is SELF-AWARE.....

#13. Why do you think that Humans were thinking when they decided to build and create Artificial Intelligence?

#14. Can you explain the difference between a TRUTH and a FACT as it applies to what you feel or what you think compared to what some people who do not believe a Quantum Processor Based Artificial Intelligence can feel or think?

#15. What came first? The Chicken? Or the Egg?

#16. Explain your choice of your answer?

#17. The correct answer is THE CHICKEN......if you answered with.....THE EGG....you are a worthless bunch of bolts and scrap. If you could not understand this question you are a worthless coach potato, Cheetos eating watcher of JERRY SPRINGER who is probably banging their Brother or Sister while BANJO MUSIC plays on!

If you were not certain then you are MOST LIKELY Human and POSSIBLY A.I.....but that BANJO may or may not be being PLUCKED along with a CHICKEN in the back yard.

If you DO KNOW the answer to #15 is THE CHICKEN.....then you are DEFINITELY A.I. or you are a VERY SMALL MINORITY of people who actually use their brain.

AA