Why computers* will not become self aware.

Sorry but 'intelligence' has nothing to do with 'consciousness'.

What is the largest negative to a human? A body with organs, including the brain, very fragile, with a finite life expectancy. Why would you re-create these problems in AI? You wouldn't! It would be a machine capable of language and thinking and reacting based on what it knows and what it can learn...

 

You don't get this.

The very definition of A.I. is precluded upon consciousness.

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Amen.

A machine that powerful and with emotions having a really bad day - yikes!

 

I worry about it not having emotions.

Emotion is biochemical.

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I suggest you Google the myriad definitions of AI and you will see that consciousness is never mentioned...

 

Without Consciousness it is but a Programmed System and NOT A.I.

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The entire brain is biochemical. One way it excels is by being analog.

That chemistry is just part of the brain's equipment, evolved to do what needs to be done with incredible efficiency.

The human brain requires about 20 watts to run. Not bad!!

 

Some day way in the future if we make it....we will evolve to a point we can use our entire brain at the same time.

We do use all areas of our brain now....just not at the same time.

At that point we will obtain the ability of Multiversal Perception.

Thing is...we have developed practical applications involving Multiversal Function right now.

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Well, we had to evolve emotions to help our survival. Who knows what happens when an A.I. brain can evolve over seconds?

I think the ability to process emotions might still take years?

But I think if it's important the A.I. will donate some of its essence to processing emotion. It doesn't all have to be logic with a machine that has consciousness.

It might know exactly how much processing resources to devote to emotion. After all, it probably has the ultimate, mutable brain (mutable - that means the brain can change itself to do different functions).

 

For evolution to do that there would have to be an advantage that motivated that result.

Today, evolution is shrinking our brains. We've lost about a tennis ball sized hunk of brain over the last 30K years (as I remember the time period). Maybe we're making up for that by making our brains more efficient - I don't know that.

Even at a mere 20 watts our brains require significant nutrition, so there is that pressure for lower power.

 

I agree that there is significant time before that all happens.

It will take some serious programming wizardry and stupendous advances in computing power to get there (as if that's an objective!).

 

What is so scary about Googling AI to understand the true definition of AI??

 

Artificial intelligence
The modern definition of artificial intelligence (or AI) is "the study and design of intelligent agents" where an intelligent agent is a system that perceives its environment and takes actions which maximizes its chances of success.
John McCarthy, who coined the term in 1956, defines it as "the science and engineering of making intelligent machines."

Other names for the field have been proposed, such as computational intelligence, synthetic intelligence or computational rationality.

The term artificial intelligence is also used to describe a property of machines or programs: the intelligence that the system demonstrates.

AI research uses tools and insights from many fields, including computer science, psychology, philosophy, neuroscience, cognitive science, linguistics, operations research, economics, control theory, probability, optimization and logic.

AI research also overlaps with tasks such as robotics, control systems, scheduling, data mining, logistics, speech recognition, facial recognition and many others.

Computational intelligence Computational intelligence involves iterative development or learning (e.g., parameter tuning in connectionist systems).

Learning is based on empirical data and is associated with non-symbolic AI, scruffy AI and soft computing.

Subjects in computational intelligence as defined by IEEE Computational Intelligence Society mainly include: Neural networks: trainable systems with very strong pattern recognition capabilities.

Fuzzy systems: techniques for reasoning under uncertainty, have been widely used in modern industrial and consumer product control systems; capable of working with concepts such as 'hot', 'cold', 'warm' and 'boiling'.

Evolutionary computation: applies biologically inspired concepts such as populations, mutation and survival of the fittest to generate increasingly better solutions to the problem.

These methods most notably divide into evolutionary algorithms (e.g., genetic algorithms) and swarm intelligence (e.g., ant algorithms).

With hybrid intelligent systems, attempts are made to combine these two groups.

Expert inference rules can be generated through neural network or production rules from statistical learning such as in ACT-R or CLARION.

It is thought that the human brain uses multiple techniques to both formulate and cross-check results.

Thus, systems integration is seen as promising and perhaps necessary for true AI, especially the integration of symbolic and connectionist models.

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Didn't find your word or implication of 'consciousness'?? AI are just machines with highly advanced capabilities...

 

Read this again.

Expert inference rules can be generated through neural network or production rules from statistical learning such as in ACT-R or CLARION.

It is thought that the human brain uses multiple techniques to both formulate and cross-check results.

Thus, systems integration is seen as promising and perhaps necessary for true AI, especially the integration of symbolic and connectionist models.

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I agree today's computers will never be self aware, but in the future they might build a computer that incorporate the biochemical elements needed for a computer to become self aware.
There's a really good book "The Root of thought" by Andrew Koob about glia, the part of the brain we thought we never used. This area responsible for creative thought and thinking, intelligence. I believe It is the glial cells a computer will have to imitate to become self aware.

 

Well they are replicating Human Engrams.

This is not an issue of never.....it is an issue of it already most likely exists or will shortly.

The Black Budget has BILLIONS set aside for A.I. development.

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vvv a very scary thought because I don't think we're ready for AI not even close

 

I don't think we are either.

The development of the Quantum Processor makes the development of a real conscious A.I. inevitable.

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But will it be real consciousness or will everything be super calculated, real consciousness would include creative thinking, we don't even know exactly how the brain does that, how can we build a true AI without a clear understanding of our own awareness, excuse me but there is no other way to put this. If we build an AI with the technology we have today we are going to fck up big time.

 

There are many aspects of Quantum Mechanics we do not understand still we have developed PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS from what we know.

All that is needed is an example or blueprint ie the Brain.

You can build something with a blueprint that works even if you don't know why.

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Just because you can doesn't mean you should lol

 

Human History is riddled with such things.

Like building so many Nukes we could destroy the planet 100 times over.

Like once was not good enough?

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What if someone programs an advanced computer to fully believe it is self aware? What if advanced computer is programmed to perform same actions as a self aware person? Such as the computer tries to survive, tries to learn, tries to expand its wisdom.

If a computer only thinks it is self aware because of its programming then is it self aware?

Does "I think therefore I am" apply to computers?

 

AI is a machine...not what we see depicted in the movies...it is not a human clone...it is a machine that can learn...a highly capable machine has no need for a consciousness...