Cultural Marxist Harvard Prof urges liberals to treat Christians like Nazis

Sweet insult

 

Tushnet explains himself here. Yes he was speaking of Christians.

Monday, May 09, 2016

What Does "Taking a Hard Line" Mean?

Mark Tushnet

Well, that certainly provoked people (or rather, one parenthetical comment did). Does "taking a hard line" mean, as (you can't understand how hard it is to avoid snark here) various online sources put it (Google "tushnet nazis" -- I can't figure out who said it first), that I want to treat conservative Christians like Nazis (with war crimes trials, presumably, or legal disqualification from office, or something -- when Godwin's Law kicks in, there's no telling what's being implied).

I said that victors in the culture wars should take a hard line with losers, making several historical allusions to cases where I thought that taking a soft line didn't work and taking a hard line might have. But what a hard line is will vary with the circumstances. In the context I was writing about, for example, "taking a hard line" means opposing on both policy and constitutional grounds free-standing so-called "religious liberty" laws. (The constitutional argument builds on Romer v. Evans.) It also means being pretty leery about some "compromises" I've heard floated -- most notably, agreement by Christian conservatives to support extending general nondiscrimination laws to cover the LGBT community in exchange for including "religious liberty" exemptions. (I should note that I've heard these proposals from conservative academics, but the proposals seem to have no traction whatever among conservative politicians who, given the opportunity to offer such a statute, have opted for free-standing "religious liberty" statutes instead.)

Why leery? Partly because working for the proposals would mean compromising in advance, which doesn't seem to me a good strategy. But also, because because the exemptions that might satisfy "our side" would have to be pretty narrow -- available, for example, only to individual proprietors, small partnerships, and corporations with some low number of employees along the lines of the Mrs. Murphy exemption from the Fair Housing Act; and some sort of constraint on the exemptions' availability in cases of claimed "complicity." (I don't know whether even these would be acceptable to activists on "our side.") And here's the problem: Narrowness makes the exemptions constitutionally vulnerable ("corporations are people," "who are you to assess whether my religious claim is a sensible/acceptable one?," and all that). Maybe some conservative politicians would go along with the suggested compromise, but they can't control aggressive litigators.

Assuming, though, that our side has won the culture wars, maybe we can hope that the courts would reject the constitutional challenges, invoking, for example Chief Justice Rehnquist's point about "play in the joints" in religious-liberty contexts. But, at the moment, taking a hard line means waiting for these proposals to get traction among conservative Christians.

I can't help thinking, though, that the outraged reaction is just an indication that -- to extend one of the historical examples I used -- like the Japanese soldiers who were stranded on islands in the Pacific and didn't know the war was over, so too many people on their side haven't yet come to terms with the fact that they lost the culture wars.

http://balkin.blogspot.com/

Cheers
Labour

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What you say Cultural Marxism is was not the intent of those youre talking about from the Frankfurt school, nor many of those thag followed after them.

 

I agree with what you're getting at (that was a lot to read ) I especially agree with the part about the hypocrisy of "Utopian happiness", and who's vision should that be based on.

Which is why only Democracy can come close to any fair consensus of Utopian happiness, and even then, some people will be left out.


Also, the interpretations I posted on Cultural Marxism were not written by me, and I may not agree 100% with the definitions.

To sum it up more succinctly in my words: Cultural Marxism is the tearing down of society through manipulation of culture , media, academia, the arts (Hollywood), etc in order to pave the way for Marxism.


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Because Tushnet is advocating that a large group of people be treated like Nazis after WW2.

That's pretty cut and dry.

Let's switch it.

I'm a conservative professor, and I publicly advocate treating liberals like the Nazis after WW2.

Should I be fired?

Is this who you'd like teaching your children?


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Tushnet has just issued a death threat. Progressives are really into the mass extermination of their opponents.

Tushnet is certainly aligned with the Nazis in that regard.

 

Teddy Roosevelt was a very strong leader. "Caudillismo", as you're referring to it.

Trump is like TR in many ways.

After a weak leader, a strong leader usually is desired.

Such as, Carter to Reagan.


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I don't care who ya are...that theres funny!

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Don't be jealous because he's moved on to food that require teeth. You keep gumming yer 'nanas.

 

Green suits you.

 

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I apologize for not leaving a link. Those are not my words. Cultural Marxism

 

It's where it got it's start.

It's based on the 1920s writings of Marxist Antonio Gramsci while he was in prison. A group of Frankfurt School that immigrated in the 1930s ran with it at Columbia U. WW2 made it difficult, because it was a time of strong nationalism, as was the following 20 years or so. However, they got a foothold in the late 1960s

They were well aware it would be a long struggle, as Gramsci said.



Antonio Gramsci
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Gramsci

 

What insult? I didn't know that you are so thenthetive.

 

I'm jealous because my mom isn't helping me?

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Deserves re-posting

Zeus is going to cry.

 

Well, we see where Zeus gets his wit from.

 

Better than from knuckle draggers like you did?

 

I think you're wrong. The mindset that is supporting Trump is a reflection of how tired people are of watching leaders so cowardly bend their knees to political correctness. The right, the white and the wealthy are tired of being told they are the problem and watching their leaders fall into the shadows when given an opportunity to dispel this wicked propaganda. The people who are rallying behind Trump are tired of watching a significant portion of our population pretend that they are suffering trauma from a historical event that they never witnessed and using that fabricated oppression to justify acting uncivil towards those who had nothing to do with it to begin with.

As long as the social climate remains the way it is, where it is ok to single out an entire race of people and vilify them, the population will continue to fracture and form opposing factions that are willing to meet the absurdity with absurdity. I know that the left is enjoying the sport of inciting social unrest, but once the damage is great enough that they regret it then it will be too late. A large portion of Trumps support is not so much an endorsement for Trump as it is a rejection of the left. If the left continues their tactic of alienating an entire race of people and applauding the oppression of that group of people, people like Trump will have a pathway to success.

Racism will never die if we refuse to let it go.

 

Rational Wiki is leftist and biased

Conservapedia, it's opposite, has a completely different description of Cultural Marxism

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If Zeus is a good boy, are you going to let him post again?

We won't be too rough on him

 

Im glad you can put enough effort in to read (maybe?) and link a wiki page.

There are probably more critics of Gramsci within critical theorist circles than any where else.

 

I'm critical of Gramsci, too. Very much so.

But, he birthed Cultural Marxism.

 

Neat.

My point since my original post on the subject.

Critical Theory/Frankfurt School does not equal Cultural Marxism.

 

Zeus ain't no panty waist like you. He can post whenever he feels like it. (Right after I'm done with him. You just THOUGHT I was him mom. Not even close. )

 

By my interpretation of what he means I'm OK with it so no you should not be fired.

 

Pssssst...don't encourage that weirdo Sundance or he will never shut his yammer up.

 

And, as I've said twice, it was a group of immigrants to the US from the Frankfurt School that started Cultural Marxism at Columbia U

Maybe a Marxist website identifying the original Cultural Marxists at the Frankfurt School will work for you ...

https://www.marxists.org/subject/frankfurt-school/

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This one's even angrier, must be Zeus' granny now.

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That's nice, a lot of people disagree.

 

Then you stop encouraging that idiot Zeus who does nothing but throw childish insults at everyone that doesn't agree with him. This place is exactly how politics looks on the playground. Nobody here wants to discuss issues, they just want to spit on people while the crowd cheers them on.