'Nazi Grandma' sent to jail again for Holocaust denial

According to the many counter arguments contained in this link...

http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/history/zionism/news.php?q=1275502408

the answer has to be No!

Excerpts:

a) Immediately after World War II, Allied authorities declared that "Jews had been gassed" in all German concentration camps. It later discovered that the many bodies photographed in the camps died during the waning days of the war - from typhus, cold and starvation.

b) Simon Wiesenthal, of the "Holocaust Center" in Los Angeles, stated in Books and Bookmen, April 1975, page 5, "No gassing took place in any camp on German soil."

c) The Jew L.P. Beria in 1945, announced that they had discovered a "holocaust" of six million Jews. This conveniently occurred only in camps in Poland! Beria would not allow any outside investigators to examine these sites.

d) The Jewish-owned New York Times reported in 1945 that Soviet Russia supplied the figure of four million Jews having been put to death, "in the gas chambers of Auschwitz." However,....

e) ...in July of 1990, the Polish government reduced this figure to 1.1 million and it was accepted by Jewish groups. Despite this evidence, the "official figure" of six million dead was not lowered to three million!

f) ...Elizabeth Dole, president of the American Red Cross, and wife of former Sen. Bob Dole, revealed that the official death records from Auschwitz had been uncovered in the Soviet Archives. It listed 70,000 deaths from all causes.

g) No Holocaust Order was Ever Given

h) The German Foreign Ministry on January 25, 1939 issued a document on the solution to the Jewish problem which stated: "The end policy in regard to the Jews is the emigration of all Jews living in the territory of the Old Reich."

i) Emigration to Madagascar... For these reasons SS official Reinhard Heydrich organized the Central Office for Jewish Emigration on February 11, 1939. Once the war began, this was no longer possible. Thus Hitler ordered the internment of Jews as enemy aliens and deported them to the east. On January 27, 1942, Hitler said: "The Jews must leave Europe. The best thing is that they go to Russia."

j) The Nuremberg War Crimes Trial heard testimony from Hans Lammers as to what he considered the "Final Solution of The Jewish Problem." Lammers was Chief of the Reich Chancellery and personally close to Himmler and Hitler. Lammers said he asked Himmler what was the "final solution." Himmler replied: "The Jews must be evacuated from Germany!" He said that Hitler told him the same thing. In other words, "The Final Solution" was --emigration! When asked, "when did you first learn that five million Jews had been exterminated," Lammers replied that it was "here" at the Nuremberg trials! Herman Goring also told the court that the first time he had heard anything about a holocaust was, "right here at Nuremberg!"

k) Work camps... Auschwitz - "Monowitz No. 16 Camp" alone employed 126,000 workers.
Holocaust expert, Leon Poliakov... wrote that the Jewish Warsaw Ghetto was one of the Germans' "most important supply centers. The second in economic importance was the Lodz ghetto because it manufactured all kinds of goods, and, in particular, its textile industries constituted support of great value to the German economy."

l) On April 17, 1943, Hitler asked Admiral Horthy, regent of Hungary for, "100, 000 Jews to work on a new pursuit plane program." (Source, Reitlinger's book, Die Endlosung, 1956, page 478.) In May 1944 Hitler personally ordered that 200,000 more Jews be put to work in construction and "other important military works."

k) The Jews were vital to the German war industry. It would have been counter productive to exterminate them. In fact, the SS arrested Karl Koch, commandant of Buchenwald, for mistreating and unjustly executing some prisoners. After being found guilty by a military court, Koch was sentenced to death and shot. If there was actually a "holocaust" he would have been honored instead of executed.

l) Read in link about the Leuchter report; Austrian Engineer Walter Luftl; etc.

m) How Many Jews Actually Died?

The World Almanac for 1947, in quoting figures supplies by the American Jewish Committee states that the world Jewish population in 1939 was 15,688,259. The New York Times of February 22, 1948, stated that the world Jewish population ranged from 15,600,000 to 18,700,000, excluding some 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine. How could the Jewish population have increased so rapidly after losing six million during World War II? Walter Sanning, the author of Dissolution of European Jewry, says that no less than 2,200,000 Jews had emigrated out of Europe leaving 2,847,000 Jews residing there at the height of the German occupation in June 1941. After the war, 3,375,000 Jews, according to the Red Cross, applied for holocaust reparations. This figure included many of the emigrants. Thus, the actual number of those who died at the camps from all causes ranges between 150,000 and 300,000.
Continued:


Together with all the pros and cons in this entire thread, what do you, dear fellow posters, say?
All these points have long been pondered over and widely discussed and still, people like Ursula Haverbeck get jailed for stating "Auschwitz was a labor camp, not an extermination camp!"
She is just stating the truth as she understands and knows it.
Should she go free or not?
I feel she should be pardoned. Otherwise, millions more across the world should be accused and incarcerated, including some Jews.

The basic problem is, that none of us has been there at the time and witnessed the actual gassing... we all have to rely on logical thinking and what others have not seen but written about..

 

Dubious.
It doesn't even reference its alleged facts

The answer to that has to be no

Care to prove that?

He would be right because the extermination camps were based in eastern Europe and primarily in Poland

Beria was raised as an orthodox Christian.

Which doesn't prove anything

And?

Again prove it

A written order wasn't needed

More omissions of history

Its unlikely that Lammers would have been aware of the results of the Wannsee conference considering his position.

They certainly weren't paid

?

Nope. All prisoners were used irrespective of faith so it really wouldn't have mattered.

He was shot because he murdered German members of staff.

I say that holocaust deniers choose what they want to believe. They repeatedly omit information, use conjecture and little short of being deluded.

Germany has its own laws she violated them.

No

Then the law is worthless

My god that's fascicle

 

You haven't refuted a single fact set forth about "The Holocaust®" or proven any of your denials of facts commonly known by those knowledgable of 20th century German history.

Additionally, you demand proof of others but offer none of your own:

- Where is your proof that "6 Million Jews" plus countless non Jews were gassed to death?

Re: Your claim that:

Of course a detailed Plan and written order would have been necessary for an undertaking of such magnitude.

How do you suppose orders to execute millions of people were given................... telepathically?

Re: your opinion:

It is the thoroughly deluded, indoctrinated, gullible & fraudulent Holocaustians who "....choose what they want to believe" & "repeatedly omit information" just as you have omitted ANY proof that ANYONE was gassed to death.

If you're asserting that the Germans systematically exterminated millions, the burden of proof is on Holocaustians.

Where is it?

Any spoiled 3rd Grader can repeatedly deny facts that are commonly known in educated circles with:

Yet, they never offer proof of their own when the burden of proof is on the accuser.

If you accuse the Germans of "systematically exterminating millions" then its' up to you to prove it happened yet you have been unable to offer ANYTHING to support your opinions.

That's the way things work in the Western legal process & adult world.




“To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”
- Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution&#8221, (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190.


"What became known in high Nazi circles as the Fuehrer Order on the Final Solution apparently was never committed to paper -- at least no copy of it has yet been unearthed in the captured Nazi documents. " William Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (New York: Fawcett Crest, 1960), p.1256.




“NAZI GASSINGS NEVER HAPPENED”
http://www.nazigassings.com/

EXCERPT "People believe wrongly that the “Holocaust” is based on an enormous body of “irrefutable evidence.” Those who deny it happened must be either insane, or nearly insane—and driven by only the foulest of motives.

The exact opposite is the case. It is the holocaust claims which are, in fact, driven by a fanatical Jewish campaign of systematic and wholesale lying—and hardly any evidence at all. What little “evidence” there is turns out to be bogus or totally irrelevant.

Holocaust revisionists are the true “whistleblowers” who deserve the greatest respect for what they continue to endure in their pursuit of Truth. America pretends to care about “human rights” but has no problem with the imprisonment of revisionists in Germany and elsewhere, even of revisionists who were in the US seeking political asylum for merely speaking against the most monstrous hoax ever.

What is not addressed in any depth here is the major reason for why people believe in the hoax. My guess is that people believe the hoax because they want to believe. It fills some deep emotional need—perhaps to overcome a sense of inferiority compared to the Germans, or to somehow join the dominant group in society.

The exact answer is beyond any understanding of this writer—but it is an enormously important question nonetheless in the same way that one should try to understand why people believe in religion. Holocaust belief is a kind of new religion—as irrational and ridiculous as any other religion but enormously appealing. For those who have not totally lost their minds, the following reasons for rejecting the hoax may have meaning.

1) There are NO autopsy reports of any Nazi gassing victims from any western doctors.

2) There are NO photographs that are even alleged to be of corpses of Nazi gassing victims from any German concentration camps.

3) There are NO German documents to identify any gassing victims. For those who think otherwise, let the USHMM, or the ADL, or anyone else provide such a document.

4) “Although survivors recalled that smoke and flame emanated continually from the crematoria chimneys and was visible for miles, the photography we examined gave no positive proof of this.“

5) There are NO German documents that speak of gassing. For those who think otherwise, let the USHMM, or the ADL, or anyone else provide such a document.

6) Some of Wiesel's exact words in Night, paperback edition (Bantam Books, 1960) page 78 are:
“The choice was in our hands. For once we could decide our fate for ourselves. We could both stay in the hospital, where I could, thanks to my doctor, get him [the father] entered as a patient or nurse. Or else we could follow the others. ‘Well, what shall we do, father?’ He was silent. ‘Let's be evacuated with the others,’ I told him.”

7) Rudolf Hoess, former commandant of Auschwitz, who appeared as a "witness" at Nuremberg was definitely "tortured" and his Jewish torturer Bernard Clarke even admitted it later in the book LEGIONS OF DEATH by Rupert Butler, pages 236-38.

9) The numbers of “holocaust survivors” are enormous—even today. The numbers are well into the hundreds of thousands even sixty years after the war. In 2003 an Israeli demographer, Sergio Della Pergola, stated in an official Israeli report that there were 1.092,000 Jewish holocaust survivors alive in the world in 2003.

The so-called "survivors"--and there were 1,092,000 of them still alive in 2003 according to Dr. Sergio DellaPergola-

There are NO autopsy reports of Nazi gassing victims. There are NO autopsy reports that show even one body found anywhere was of someone killed with poison gas by the Nazis or Germans.

Many thousands of bodies were found in German concentration camps by the end of the war, (they clearly had NOT all gone up in smoke at all) and at least a thousand were autopsied—but, none of the autopsies indicated poisoning by any substance.

This simple fact should already undermine anyone's belief that the “holocaust” story is supported by “overwhelming evidence.”
CONTINUED


If you really want to refute the facts stated in this & other excerpts, it's up to YOU to disprove them with something more than puerile denials & demands to "Prove it!"

 

This is a county who government killed millions so the slope they are worrying about is not the same as the one we get to worry about even under Trump.

 

You have a very high opinion of yourself.

I have refuted everything that was put before me but you have repeatedly ignored any and every piece of evidence.
It is clear that you had no interest in engaging in a debate.

You claims were proven to be fascicle a long time ago.
Quite frankly unless you have something new to say then there really isn't any point in responding to someone who appears to be partially sighted.
Also don't violate the rules if you respond with anything of value.

 

No German government has killed millions! If you are referring to Hitler's government, it is a question of either 300 000 or 6 million.

 

That is a German government and I'm pretty sure that the toll is much higher than that.

 

As you repeatedly demand of others & specifically stated in your Post #222:

Please note:



“Himmler - "Reduce Deaths at all Costs"
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm
EXCERPT “Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued orders on December 28, 1942, that "The death rate in the concentration camps must be reduced at all costs" (Reitlinger, "The Final Solution").

The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in 1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen and shot. Does this sound like a policy of "extermination?"CONTINUED


- EXCERPT " "Three of the best known works on the Second World War are General Eisenhower's Crusade in Europe (New York: Doubleday [Country Life Press], 194, Winston Churchill's The Second World War (London: Cassell, 6 vols., 1948-1954), and the Mémoires de guerre of General de Gaulle (Paris: Plon, 3 vols., 1954-1959). In these three works not the least mention of Nazi gas chambers is to be found."

"Eisenhower's Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; the six volumes of Churchill's Second World War total 4,448 pages; and de Gaulle's three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages. In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi "gas chambers, "a" genocide" of the Jews, or of "six million" Jewish victims of the war."CONTINUED

 

You want me to prove that the Nazi regime killed more than 6M?
Have you never heard of the 2nd World War?

Invalid source from start to finish not to mention that the content itself misrepresents the facts.

 

With each of your Posts you repeatedly reveal how little you know about European History in General & modern German history, specifically.
Do you have any background education, formal or informal, in the topics related to this thread?

1. Re:

Yes, & since this thread has to do with an alleged "Holocaust®" / "Typhuscaust", you know that I mean in the Work Camp fatalities not War-Related casualties.

2. Re:

Ah, what would you do without your inventory of insults, sarcasm and specious delusions.

Yes, I've heard of WW 2 but you obviously haven't heard about "Bromberg Bloody Sunday" & the multiple Danzig Massacres[1] that occurred on land taken from Germany under the Treaty of Versailles & subsequent Allied atrocities. For example, the British continued their WW 1 blockade of Germany through 1919 causing the starvation deaths of 900,000 innocent German civilians.
That is just one of the countless post WW 1 Allied Atrocities inflicted on Germany that guaranteed future hostilities and are not mentioned in your High School history books

Concerning the 1939 Massacres in Poland, 58,000 innocent German civilians / German Nationals in Poland were slaughtered by Jewish Bolsheviks, the Polish Army & Russian NDVK Jews.
This ruthless provocation was after the 1933 Jewish Declaration of war on Germany[2]

These two egregious provocations were the real reason Germany invaded Poland not because of Allied Propaganda that "Hitler wanted to conquer the World"

Before invading Poland, "Germany had protesting in writing to the League of Nations literally dozens of times with no results."[1]

I doubt that any of those facts are in the blatantly biased High School history books that have formed your factually flawed opinions.


3. Re:

Just because a credible source refutes the myths that have formed your same factually flawed opinions. doesn't make it "Invalid".

If it "misrepresents the facts", please show us how & where with ANY credible source of your own.

So far, you have yet to Post anything other than your glaringly unqualified opinions.





[1] “The 1939 Danzig Massacres of ethnic Germans which caused Hitler to invade Poland”
http://fr.soc.histoire.narkive.com/...-germans-which-caused-hitler-to-invade-poland

"The 1939 Danzig Massacres"
___________________________
EXCERPT "In the months leading up to the German invasion the Polish Army and
independent Bolshevik units had been slaughtering German nationals in
the Danzig corridor. Mass killings of thousands of civilian ethnic
Germans (Volksdeutsche) by both civilian and Russian NDVK Jews, who
were confident that Poland would quickly defeat Germany.

Many apparently expected to take possession of German farms and businesses.

An estimated 58,000 German civilians lost their lives in the massacres
carried out prior to the 1939 invasion.

Poles had been merrily slaughtering anything or anybody German since at
least as early as April 1939, with smaller incidents stretching back to
the close of WW I -- you haven't been told that by the Mass Media, or
the fact that these atrocities were one of the main causes for the
German invasion of Poland.

Germany had protesting in writing to the League of Nations literally
dozens of times with no results."



"Bromberg Bloody Sunday"
______________________________
"On one day alone - Polish Jews, under the protection of the Polish
Army, attack a small German town and viciously kill 5500 Germans

The "Bromberg Bloody Sunday" is perhaps best known.

Polish Jews were confident they would win against Germany and went on a rampage of '
Blood Lust ' that was unmatched.
Groups of Bolsheviks attacked from Ponz, Lotz and Warsaw approached the town and started killing the
farmers on the outskirts.

Children were nailed to barns, women were raped and hacked to death with axes men were executed where they stood.

On Bromberg Bloody Sunday, thousands of ethnic Germans were slaughtered
like pigs in an alley because the majority "poles" (the "slavic",
non-Teutonic types, really Turco-Ugaric, Hunnic, Tartar and Mongoloid
residue from the old "Dark Age" invasions) knew they could do so with
total impunity."CONTINUED




[2] “The Jewish Declaration of War
on Nazi Germany”
“The Economic Boycott of 1933”
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html

 

You seem to imagine things

Yes. Although judging from you've written its quite clear you don't have an academic background as you don't use primary sources and you repeatedly ignore those that do present primary sources. Your opinions are at times inconsistent and almost completely based upon using dubious sources which omit relevant information.
It would be nice if you started being honest

No. I don't. You should have made that clear because the comment I made was directed towards Jazz's comment which was not specific to deaths caused by the "Nazi policy of extermination". That is a quote from a primary source which you keep ignoring.
Also according to you this a thread about the trial of Haverbeck.
Ah the joy of double standards. Still at least you're consistent in that regard

Have a better conversation with someone who isn't removed from reality. But then again you're not exactly innocent of that and you don't seem to want a civil conversation or civily as you call it.

Really? I never would have guessed

Which is an irrelevance

So you're omniscient as well?

Also an irrelevance and a complete lie.

Nope
Try again

That's doubtful. Germany withdrew from the League in 1933

Its interesting how you keep saying things which clearly relate to yourself. I wonder if there's psychological theory which relates to this?

No its not credible by any stretch of the imagination ergo it is invalid.
Do you understand the difference between primary and secondary sources? Peer reviewed articles perhaps?
I don't think you do, judging from what you've written.

Are you going to acknowledge the Red Cross report of 1948

Then you must be blind

Sorry but this is almost comical

Jesus the standards just keep going down

 

I've wasted enough time on a completely anonymous, ill informed individual whose idea of a rebuttal is an incomplete, puerile & unsupported

Your main complaint seems to be that I

& you repeatedly refer to the
Red Cross report of 1948.

Apparently, you don't even know what a "primary source" is or expect me to post all 1,600 pages of the Red Cross report of 1948.

Instead of posting all 1,600 pages of the Red Cross report of 1948 which I've read, I, like everyone but you, have chosen to use more manageable Secondary Sources that addresses the topics relevant to this Thread:


“OFFICIAL INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS RECORDS RELEASED”
http://www.renegadetribune.com/inte...ort-confirms-holocaust-six-million-jews-hoax/

EXCERPT “In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatsoever of ‘gas chambers’.

The original 1946 edition did not even talk of ‘extermination’ or ‘death camps’ but after the emotional impact of the Nuremberg trials the Red Cross felt compelled to introduce into the expanded 1948 Report several, very cursory references to ‘death camps’ (Vol. 1 p. 641) and ‘extermination camps’ (Vol. I p. 645).


However, no means of’extermination’ is indicated.

In all its 1,600 pages the three-volume Report does not even mention such a thing as a
‘gas chamber’.

It acknowledges that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but’ its complete silence
 on the subject of’gassings’ is ample refutation of the ‘Holocaust’ legend.”CONTINUED


Why would I post the entire three-volume Report just to prove that there are no references to "gas chambers" and that post War references to "extermination" etc were made under duress stemming from the Nuremberg trials?

Additionally, for every factual source or supported assertion I've made, your idea of a "rebuttal" is some form of an infantile

Meanwhile, a genuine & mature rebuttal includes a clearly articulated refutation that is supported by a credible source which you have yet to supply in any of your childish Posts.

Since you are completely unable to maturely articulate & support any of the Holocaustian dogma with which you have been indoctrinated, I see no point in continuing to respond to your vapid, immature & fact-free opinions & denials of credibly supported facts.

 

Yeah you've said that before. Do you have anything new to say?

That's one of them. It would be nice if you acknowledged the report which I linked.

Well obviously I do and not only did I save you the bother of posting all three volumes (which nobody asked you to do) I even gave you the page numbers which stated quite clearly that the Nazi's led a policy of extermination.

No you did not. Its quite clear that you did not.

Well that makes your 'academic credentials' even more suspicious. These so called "secondary sources" aren't worth the server space they occupy. Really just utter toilet paper

NO we have been through this before.

I've never asked you to and the report doesn't mention gas chambers because it wasn't their job to investigate the means of so many people's demise.
If you remember I posted the report to prove that the Nazi's led a policy of extermination and that one of your sources said the opposite with the latter being untrue.

No they weren't. Certainly not most of them.

I think that's the first time I've said "nope try again"

I have many times over but like I've said many times; you keep ignoring them or you fabricate some sort of contradictory excuse.

Quite frankly I wish you wouldn't because not only did you lose this debate (?) a very long time ago; you're a bit of a boor as compounded by your vicious, vacuous, vulgar, vandalic and vitriolic responses.

 

Dear vantastic Institute! I like your sense of humor, but it would help the debate, if you could come to your senses and take your opponents serious and treat them with respect, just as you would like to be treated. O.k.?

Now, where were we? Ach so... still the holocaust!
Have you heard about the American Dr. Charles Larson? He was given the job to follow the troops through Germany in order to document any discovered German war crimes. He actually was a pathologist who performs autopsies on diseased people. According to a report, he performed at times over 1000 autopsies a day in the liberated camps. He did not come across one body killed by gas poisoning!
His findings were never entered in the Nuremberg trials. WHY not?

Then there is Dr. John E. Gordon, a Harvard Professor, who was part of the autopsy team. He stated that: "Most deaths in the concentration camps were caused, not by starvation or maltreatment but by typhus."
Again, not entered at the trial.

Here is another one from the British forces... Dr. David Batton entered the camps with British forces and volunteered to help the diseased survivors. Testifying under oath in a Toronto courtroom in 1985 he said:

"Thousands of prisoners who died at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp during WWII weren’t deliberately starved to death but died from a rash of diseases."

And now take note of this declaration:
Major Miller of the Allied Military Police HQ in Vienna signed memo/order #31/48 on Oct. 1, 1948 declaring that since the Allied Commissions of Inquiry had established that no one in the 12 German concentration camps was killed by poison gas, that any former inmate maintaining otherwise was to be arrested and charged with perjury.
This memo/order also stated that all confessions of gassings at the camps used at Nuremberg war trials were gained by way of torture. This memo/order was witnessed by a Lieutenant Emil Lachout.

Do you understand English, dear vantastic Institute? Can you still follow me??

One more thing...

The Russians did not allow the American or British forensic teams to come to the eight camps located in Poland. Mr. Beria, from the Russian secret police, did not allow them to enter.
He is supposedly the one who started the rumor of the gassings. Must I say he was Jewish?

Here is my link and source:
http://proliberty.com/observer/20070406.htm

 

Thank you

I did and I got insulted in return. So now every time a certain someone responds poorly then I respond in a similar fashion. So I do treat people as they treat me.

He never stated that victims at Dachau werent gassed as he simply stated that very few of them were gassed and considering that most of the bodies would have been cremated prior to his arrival it would have been impossible to examine the cadavers.
This by the way is stated in his autobiography.

- J. D. McCallum, Crime Doctor: Dr. Charles P. Larson, World's Foremost Medical-Detective, Reports from His Crime File, Mercer Island, WA: The Writing Works, 1978, pp. 59-61.

Examining a mere hundred cadavers is insufficient to draw that conclusion.

You're saying all of this comes the Idaho observer website?
This is a conspiracy site at best.
If you can find something else a bit more credible then please feel free to post it.

And?

Its most likely a forgery considering that German was not used as an official language in the Allied command.
Its also a bit strange that if it were lets say a translation that it would have Germanised an Anglicised name. There would be no need to do that and could possibly cause a bit of confusion.

Extremely well but I don't make up words. Vandalic by the way is a synonym of Vandals.

If you're going somewhere?

And?

He wasn't Jewish. He was raised an Orthodox Christian and considering religion was effectively banned in the USSR its unlikely that he would have converted to Judaism

>sigh<

 

In reference to your assertion:

Of course you would like to monopolize this thread with only your puerile, simplistic & entirely unfounded opinions in which you, alone, declare:

In claiming the worthlessness of secondary sources you imply that your unsupported & flippant opinions hold greater value than the findings of expert historians like Yehuda Bauer, Prof. Robert Faurisson, Paul Rassiner, Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes , Walter Laqueur, Nicholas Kellerstrom & other individuals I have cited to support my Posts.

For the record, I will cite just a few findings of a few of these individuals who are far more qualified to speak on the Holocaust® than an anonymous Forum Poster:

EXCERPT " &#8220;What Experts say about the Holocaust
Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40 books, many of which are standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal, 1967. "It has been demonstrated that there had been no systematic extermination in those camps."


Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author wrote: "I was at Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there."


Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962. "The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie&#8212;the most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time."


Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. "The holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose principal beneficiary is the state of Israel."


The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946).
CONTINUED [1]



Throughout your innumerable Posts, you have not produced one source that supports standard Holocaust® dogma.
Your distant link to the 1,600 page long Red Cross Report is conspicuous in what it does NOT say:

For Example:

"NO MENTION OF GAS CHAMBERS"

One of the most important aspects of the Report of the ICRC is that it clarifies the true cause of those deaths that undoubtedly occurred in the camps towards the end of the war.

Says the Report: &#8220;in the chaotic condition of Germany after the invasion during the final months of the war, the camps received no food supplies at all and starvation claimed an increasing number of victims.

Itself alarmed by this situation, the German Government at last informed the ICRC on February 1, 1945 &#8230; In March 1945, discussions between the President of the ICRC and General of the S.S. Kaltenbrunner gave even more decisive results.

Relief could henceforth be distributed by the ICRC and one delegate was authorised to stay in each camp .I.&#8221; (Vol. III, p.83).
Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation as far as they were able.

The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15, 1944 against &#8220;the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies&#8221; (Inter Armet Caritns, p. 7. B

By October 2, 1944, the ICRC had warned the German Foreign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportation system, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becoming inevitable.

In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatsoever of &#8216;gas chambers&#8217;.

The original 1946 edition did not even talk of &#8216;extermination&#8217; or &#8216;death camps&#8217; but after the emotional impact of the Nuremberg trials the Red Cross felt compelled to introduce into the expanded 1948 Report several, very cursory references to &#8216;death camps&#8217; (Vol. 1 p. 641) and &#8216;extermination camps&#8217; (Vol. I p. 645).
However, no means of&#8217;extermination&#8217; is indicated.

In all its 1,600 pages the three-volume Report does not even mention such a thing as a
&#8216;gas chamber&#8217;. It acknowledges that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but&#8217; its complete silence
on the subject of&#8217;gassings&#8217; is ample refutation of the &#8216;Holocaust&#8217; legend."CONTINUED [2]


It is noteworthy that of the over 1,000 autopsies done by Western Medical Professionals, NOT ONE found "gassing" to be the cause of death.

Additionally, you conspicuously avoid addressing the findings of British Intelligence which also contradicts Holocaustian dogma:


EXCERPT &#8220;In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German &#8220;Enigma&#8221; code. This undermined the German war effort&#8212;but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communi-cations between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to &#8220;arrivals,&#8221; &#8220;departures,&#8221; recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox &#8220;Holocaust&#8221; narrative.

The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.&#8221;CONTINUED [3]

Since anyone familiar with modern German History knows that the Germans did not have the extensive resources or manpower to shuttle, house, feed, treat & then exterminate 6 million people, the above findings are far more credible than claims made by the repeatedly discredited Holocaust® Industry with its extensive inventory of exposed frauds.


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Given the fact that you have yet to produce ANYTHING genuinely refuting what I've asserted & supported, your self-proclaimed "victory" is as hollow as it is endemic to childish, sore losers.



[1] &#8220;Was there Really a Holocaust?&#8221;
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm


[2] "RED CROSS EXPOSES &#8220;JUDAIC&#8221; HOLOCAUST HOAX: INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS (IRC) DOCUMENT CONFIRMS 271 THOUSAND NOT 6 MILLION DIED IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS"
http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/06/red-cross-expose-judaic-holocaust-hoax/


[3] &#8220;THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE&#8221; by Nicholas Kollerstrom
https://www.scribd.com/document/282721687/Breaking-the-Spell-the-Holocaust-Myth-Reality

 

How can any of what I said be unfounded when I've used primary and credible sources?
Also its not really a debate if I'm the only one writing; bit of a paradox.

I don't think that have really read most or possibly any of their works.
Yehuda Bauer does believe that the Holocaust occurred in fact he goes to great lengths to state that the Holocaust was well and truly beyond the scope of genocide
Paul Rassiner believed that there was a global Jewish/Communist conspiracy going on.
Elmer Barnes also believed that the Nazi's pursued a policy of extermination just as Kollerstrom and they only debate the numbers
Walter lacquer has very rarely done anything on the Holocaust and even then he doesn't believe that Holocaust didn't occur and in fact supports the fact that it did happen

No you haven't what you posted is the interpretation of someone else. That's why primary sources are preferred.
Speaking of anonymity that statement makes you a hypocrite as you are anonymous and your qualifications are non-existent

Yes I have many times over.

I already explained this to you. Its not their job to investigate the means in which people were murdered.
If you also remember this was in response to you previous assertion that the Red Cross did not believe that the Nazi government led a policy of extermination which it says quite clearly and you have never acknowledged that.

That's not true and there's even a reference if you don't believe me.

Yes I did.

Stop lying Grau or go away.

The fact that you are using these sites means that you have never ever graduated from university led alone taught.
There is not one academic institution worth its salt that would allow these to be used because they are unreliable at best.

 

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If I had been "lying" you would have been able to Post more than unsupported opinions, puerile insults and dishonest claims as to what you have or haven't proven and provided only a link to a 1,600 page document that you have not even read:

Where?

Where?

Oh,, "there's even a reference..."? An educated & mature adult would cite that "reference"

After innumerable dishonest, insulting, fact free Posts, you have been unable to show why an 89 year old woman should be locked up in a truly "democratic" country or prove that "6 Million Jews" were "systematically exterminated" I see no reason to waste more of my my time with someone with such a limited background & simplistic views.

No doubt, you'll intentionally misrepresent my boredom with your childish, vapid, insulting & fact free Posts as another self proclaimed "victory", however rational & educated adult readers are more likely to see such a puerile ploy for what it is.

 

I had proven my claims repeatedly. But you simply see what you want to see

I had and I even provided you with page numbers which you specifically asked for and interestingly you never responded to.

Open you eyes

That really is a stupid thing to say. Why would I say there's a reference then not post it?
All you have to do is look for that reference which I did post in the previous page.

I agree your posts have been insulting, dishonest and fact free. Overall you're an unpleasant person and even from the start you insulted me just because the truth contradicts your warped understanding of history.

You never asked and that's not even what we were debating

I had many times over its just you refuse to acknowledge anything that contradicts whatever weirdness you believe

Then stop communicating entirely throughout the rest of your life or you could change your thinking to that which is rooted in reality.
But otherwise I just don't care.

You lost before you began because the truth is far more tragic and malicious than you are trying to misrepresent it as.

Educated adults wouldn't have invested in conspiracy theories, historical revisionism and trying to conceal mass murder.

 

I don't even know what we're talking about anymore or who's on which side.

 

They are still talking about Ursula, in a round-about way somehow. Here you have a chance to jump in and state you are either for Ursula's incarceration or against it. Quite simple, really!

 

I'm against it. You should have the right to say that there are invisible elephants jumping on your bed if you want to. If you disagree then bring an argument against it.

 

https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/...the-nazi-gas-chambers-are-still-in-existence/
Pics that the camps still stand today.

 

It's very easy.

The Soviets 'liberated' Auschwitz on 27 January 1945.

Yet, they WAIT with reporting the 'mass extermination' until 4 months later after Germany was conquered, the National Socialist government was not in power anymore and when the country under complete lockdown and full censorship.

If they would have reported it before that, like in let's say February or March, the National Socialists would have flat out denied the Holohoax and would have sent the Red Cross and other neutral inspectors to the camp to do the necessary research.

 

Very good! Especially you Americans cherish your free speech as is obvious in this forum, that's why I like it.