Russia will target US jets in parts of Syria, defence ministry says

It still becomes better with your comedy show of having no idea about anything but believing the Erdogan propaganda BS only....

Yep, we have so much enough of your Chief Nazi and mass murder in head - Erdogan - that we still pull out of Turkey with all men and show you simply the middle finger!
If you think that any Turkish Nazi politician can enter again Germany for whatever, then you believe also in pink elephants!

 

And bring it, they prob will, the russian is getting sucked in more and more, it'll be 2 yrs in Sept when they boasted back in 2015, that it will be over by early 2016? No end in sight. Assads a corpse goodys , russkis know this.

 

Why does German military building make you crap your trousers?

 

The jet was bombing assets near our troops, after being warned prior to dropping them. Defending ourselves is not illegal. We are there to fight ISIS. What we are doing has nothing to do with Russia propping up their client state dictator. Russia has told us to stay on one side of the river, yet this all took place on that side anyway. They laughably are demanding we not go somewhere that we never went or wanted to go anyway.

I stand corrected on NATO. It's a completely useless treaty anyway. Nobody in it, save two nations, are of any benefit to fighting a war. Going to war without France at your side is akin to going hunting without a marching band.

 

The problem is that you are not invited or asked for help by the legal government of Syria what is still in all circumstances the Assad regime. Anyone fighting in Syrian skies or on Syrian ground is in a very dark grey area of legal acting. The Euphrates river is an imaginary "border" line of interest and not even respected by the US all the time.

The problem with USA and NATO is that the US people life in a fairy tale world of lies and claims. When I only look on the BS blabbering of the 2% issue and how many US people have no clue about the issue and mix 2 complete different things together, it is amazing! Yes, every NATO member has to spend 2% of his GDP into his own defense budget and only few do so. But this does not mean that the USA has more direct or indirect military costs paid by US tax money out of it... only to show you one of the BS claims done in this issue!
And many US people forget that 9/11 was rated as an Article 5 issue at least and all NATO members stood together and helped the USA.
German Forces have currently 178.000 men and women + about 2 million reserve. Even I agree that much is necessary to improve things, a marching band they are not! You missed the fact that the Europeans still do what this idiot Trump demanded in his stupidity ... to work together and forming combined units!

 

We don't need permission from dictators to fight ISIS. The city we are fighting in, is no longer part of Syria, it's an ISIS city. If he doesn't want ISIS removed from his former city, we don't really care. Maybe next time he should not let his cities be taken over by a murderous group of terrorists, that are using it as a hub to terrorize the entire planet.

The jet was on the correct side of the Euphrates, bombing troops the US is supporting, even after being warned. Any nation that drops bombs near us, after being warned, is at risk of retaliation.

The US absolutely has had to spend more, due to the treaty violations of European nations. If they were meeting their duties, we wouldn't even need to have a presence in Europe. At a minimum, our force there could be greatly reduced. I personally think we should just not honor the agreement, if slacking nations are attacked. That would be the fair way to handle it. Or, perhaps if they have spent 1%, we could defend them half ass.

Slacking on their defenses, because they know the US will protect them, is essentially stealing. If we get attacked, those nations will be ZERO help. Imagine if we all had agreed to go camping, and they were supposed to bring the tents. Even though the money is not owed to us directly, we still got screwed and are having to sleep outside in the bugs.

Personally, I see little benefit to the US being a part of NATO. Sure, you helped out in Afghanistan, for a while. Sure, SOME of you honored your agreements in Iraq. But on the whole, we could have done fine without you. We also could have used the troops and equipment that are protecting you from Russia, in those wars. We also could have used the navy vessels that provide peace on the seas, and allow your shipping to happen unimpeded.

We are going bankrupt over here, and we can't afford this forever. It's one thing to take advantage of our generosity. It's another thing entirely to be angry you were called out on it.

The GDP of Europe is greater than that of the US. You are collectively more wealthy than we are. What excuse is there, for taking advantage of us?

 

accident happened, **** happen, even turkey shut down Russia planes. what if Russia plane is in the area felt threatened by US jets, things could get out of hand. there are plenty example of incident like this in history

 

I disagree with that, by your logic we can invade any country that's not democratic elected, and cause chaos within the country. anything worst than dictators is anarchy. there weren't millions Syrian refugee before the civil war. furthermore, we are ally with many middle east country who are not democatric elected. Saudia Arabia is even worst than Assad regime in term of freedom of expression, women right etc, yet we are ally.

 

Russia is no danger to the US. We are not scared of their saber rattling.

 

And how often did the US bomb targets on the other side of the river again and what gives you the right to be there again? because we are the USA and so we have the right?

Wrong!
Look on what is placed in Europe of US Forces again and you will see that over 80% is staff, Air Force ground personal and hospital / logistic only! Real ground troops in Europe are aside Special Forces only the 2nd Armored Cavalry and this tank brigade with 100 M1A2 which is since some months in Eastern Europe! Aside this? Nothing!

My country spends only 1.2% of its GDP into its own defense budget. Of course I say they have to spend the agreed 2, simply there is a real need for ... but do you really think that the USA is paying the missing 0.8% or has extra costs because Germany did not fulfill some duties out of these missing 0.8%?
If you do so, then you are totally wrong!

Also ... why does the USA count inside their 4.5% the costs of their bases in Japan again? Is Japan member of NATO?
And then I must ask you, why you count your mission costs for Iraq inside them, but you deny that Germany and France can put their costs for their Anti Terror mission in Mali inside too?

Correct is that the USA is the biggest payer of the NATO budget costs, means the costs for the HQ in Brussels and the fleet of AWACS planes ... but right behind the USA is Germany and comes a bigger gap to all others!

Anyway ... I agree that every NATO member has to fulfill the 2% without any doubt. But then the counting should be fair and same for all and finally should the USA stop to come with costs which have not even a spark to do with NATO.
Yes, you have a huge defense budget which is hard to hold for you, but look on for what you spend the money all before complaining about others. If you want to play the no. 1 and being able to fight everywhere on this planet fast, then it is your decision and has nothing to do with NATO.
best example was this criminal war in Iraq 2003 for what Bush should be jailed for life time! War against terror and because WMD's ... sure! And then to ask the allies to fight with them for this crime! Unfortunately were only few smart enough to say No!

 

And is Russia afraid of you?

They are able to do the same as you at least!

 

What? No, they are not a threat to us. They can't even get to 49 of our states to attack us. They would have to have us drive their planes over here for them.

 

For all who are suffering from Turkophobia or Russophobia... Take a pill today to rid yourselves from the sickness you got shoved into the clutches of...

 

Yes, we are at war with ISIS. We are operating near an ISIS city. Just because this city USED to belong to Syria, doesn't mean they can say who can come and go from it. This is akin to the French saying we should not fight the Germans in Paris.

I never said, even one time, that the US is paying the remainder you are dishonorably not spending. What I said was, if your defenses are ever needed, you will not have them at the ready. At that moment, you will have cheated us. It's also just irresponsible. Defense is the primary objective of government. Without defense, you won't be a nation for long.

Japan provides access to Russian and Chinese air space. Those bases are extremely strategic. Also, the treaty does not distinguish where the gear is stowed. What makes you think it does? Anything we spend on military counts as defense. The same goes for you. If your nation wants to put some fighter jets in say, Africa, they are not removed from your total. You still own them. You can fly them back at any time.

I must confess, I don't really know anything about Mali or whatever. That's getting pretty deep in the weeds. I don't see how that is relevant, unless you say it would get you to the 2%. The point of the 2% is military equipment. If you are referring to that, then yeah, it should count. Write Cheeto Jesus a letter.

If you think our military spending is of no benefit to you, I don't even know why we are having this conversation.

Buy some tanks. Buy some jets. Stop being irresponsible. If we were to not honor NATO, you will be speaking Russian. You should do the right thing, and stop taking advantage of us. It's one thing to be dishonorable, and lie about what you will be spending on defense, but getting offended by your own lies being pointed out is just outrageous.

The entire global community thought Sadaam had a nuclear program, until it was found out that he didn't. It was British intelligence that we mainly relied on for proof. But, to anyone paying attention to his antics with UN inspectors, he certainly created the appearance he had something to hide. But none of that matters. Sadaam was in violation of the treaty of the prior Kuwait war, and that gives us every legal right to attack.

 

Saying we have no right to fight ISIS in Raqqa, because it used to be a Syrian city, is akin to saying we had no right to fight the Germans in Paris.

Syria doesn't hold Raqqa anymore. It's an ISIS city now. We aim to put a stop to that, and return it to Syria, whether they like it or not. This mission is of supreme importance to global stability. This isn't Al Qaeda, guy. ISIS has fighter jets and tanks and millions of dollars to spread terror around the world. We will continue to fight ISIS, and if anyone gets in our way, well....it won't be good. The notion that we should abandon this mission, because some dictator, well two dictators, don't like it, is ridiculous.

 

They watchin... He rollin...

 

US is the one who has been pissing the world off by arming and supporting Al Qaeda and ISIS in a sovereign nation. This is a violation of international law - just for starters - never mind ethical considerations.

Arming these Islamist Jihadists (in conjunction with Saud, Qatar and others) led to the worst humanitarian crisis so far this decade 500,000 killed and counting, the refugee crisis which is spreading the Islamist Plague all over the world , and the rise of the modern incarnation of ISIS.

Just wait until these terrorists use the shoulder launched SAM's to take out a civilian plane. The backlash against the US is just beginning.

Time to wake up and smell the flatus.

 

The notion that the US is supporting ISIS, via fighting ISIS in Raqqa, is ridiculous.

There is no international law that is relevant here.

The US did not arm ISIS. The Iraqi people lost battles against them, and had our equipment stolen from them.

NO reasonable person will blame the actions of ISIS on the US. This is not a concern to us.

 

It's ridiculous to read the comments of the decrepit old fart who is going to fight without getting off the couch.

 

They don't have to shoot you down themselves. They can just give AA to your enemies that you are bombing.

 

Just don't tell you weren't warned.

 

We've heard many warnings, even during Soviet times when the russkis were in Astan...do you recall what happened to the SU after that? Or is that thing about "graveyard of empires"?

 

Oh, LOL, I don't need gas relief from Walgreens, I flatulate well enough, even more so when I visit PF forum and read the postings here! Whats that about turkophobia? Goody really, are you still dreaming of some Turkish empire? No, not anytime soon. And russophobia? What? That used to be empire?? You never answered me earlier, do the Germans make you fill your pants, why so?

 

The fact that the Russian warning leaves out a key region of Syria in the east, which is the focal point of many of the military movements by the Syrian army and its allies, isn't something I am thrilled about. However, it is also clearly the case that this Russian warning will have a role in the willingness of the US and its sidekicks from operating in Syria. The Australians have already suspended their operations in support of the US backed "coalition" and I am rather confident the US will not be reckless enough to invite a possible war.

That said, the US military has reported that another Iranian made drone was shot down over Syria a few hours ago using American F-15 fighters. I am curious where those F-15s were flying from? Were they flying form the Incirik base in Turkey or from Jordan?

 

Is this Putin's red line now? OK , another drone , jet gets shot down, what then? This isn't Obama in the WH, btw.