Far-right activists detained at UK border before Britain First rally

Britain frequently does not let people in if it is believed they are not 'good' for Britain. Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer are two we have shut the doors to. The latest lot are people who were going to speak at a March of Britain First.

Now I bet already half the forum is thinking 'let them in' let them in' but there is more

I know some people do not agree with these bannings for anyone. I am curious though what people think of these people. The UK had this week it's first terror attack/ mass hate attack on British Muslims resulting in one dead of multiple injuries and last I heard two still in critical care. The man who did this appears to have been a lone wolf.......but do people think it is good to have this hate speech coming into the UK from outside? Secondly do you notice that our East European Friends are less shy about showing their antisemitism and that although it is still Muslims they are saying they are after, their Jew hatred is also witnessed. It is pretty well known that although many of them are supportive of Israel, antisemitism is often just beneath the surface.

Does this cause any Muslim haters to think again at what they are doing ?

 

The Brits have always been a sucker for appeasement; witness their careful nurturing of Hitler with Chamberlain's blandishments.

Extreme righties would not be pounding at the gate and trying to save Britain if they would only save themselves. Brexit was a good first step, but they need to deport a few frenzied Mullahs and crew and stop bending over backward to be "politically correct" to get it right...and maybe even arm all their police.

It's too bad some (probably) innocent Muslims finally came to harm after all their jihadists have gotten away with, but what goes around tends to come around, and their lot started it in England. They need to start cranking out sanitized Korans and outlawing the old ones if they want to succeed in the West--and stop inbreeding to avoid producing so many mental defectives that can be steered to blowing themselves up as a life choice.

 

I obviously don't agree with what you said. What I was particularly interested in was whether it made any difference to people like yourselves that the first hate for many is still Jews even though they are jumping on the hate Muslim bandwagon.

 

Europe has always been antisemitic, although I don't have a clue as to why. Focus on the terrorists. Look at what they are doing to Britain. With all the catering they do to Muslims, you should not be surprised that people are sick of it, and feel if their government is not doing anything, then they must. It's tragic...

 

Possibly it would be more accurate to say that Europe has always been xenophobic although antisemitism was strong in the US in the 30's as well - must have been due to being full of Europeans. The issue I see is do we go down that way again as I know a small but loud section want us to. It will not be just Muslims.

Also not all Europe, Spain for instance has always been used to having people move in.

 

Why is it that to Europe, Muslims can do no wrong, and Christians and Jews are denigrated. Seems to me we have more to fear from Muslims...Clerics in Britain teach hatred from their mosques and nothing is said, but Christians and Jews get blamed for everyhing.THEY are the haters. You need to fix your Muslim problems.

 

None of your assertions are actually true. Hate preaching clerics are subjected to the same laws which prevent far right bigots from coming here to preach their own brand of hate.
Muslims certainly can do wrong but treating all Muslims badly because of the actions of a few i unlawful and unacceptable.

 

I did not say anything about Europe doing no harm but for the most I will go along with what Montegriffo said on that.

However going back to what you said here

I put this as my new signature today

He said that in 2007 so obviously things have got a whole lot worse since then including a long time of recession but it seems to me you are engaging in the last two lines which I doubt very much many people would have felt comfortable doing in 2007 but of course has a kind of mainstream about it now.

With regard It not just being Muslims, although I was using Eastern Europe as an example, in no way will it be limited to Muslims in the US either, if this was to happen. There it is the neo cons and the Christian right backed up by the White Nationalists and while of course blacks will be well in the firing line, lets just look at Jews and look at the sort of thing we saw after Trumps election. A big increase in support for Israel - from everyone. White Nationalists and the Christian Right want them all in Israel so their support for Jews in the US could be somewhat limited. We saw also a big increase in antisemitism particularly levelled at Jews who were not fanatically pro Zionist.

What you do not look at is the politics you are supporting. I checked out Richard Spencer today and he gave a link to an alt right site so I went off and checked it out. They were chatting about the attack in Finsbury Park and wondering if this is it getting started - the same as you are talking about I think. No it is not, and I am quietly confident it will not in the UK. I think recently we have changed direction and am much less concerned than I was for a while. Last time Cable Street was when we said no. Actually was a bit of an increase in antisemitism after that but it was the catalyst which brought Britain away from fascism. Up until then we could well have gone that way.

Where the US is moving is less predictable I think. From what I hear people are certainly getting off their asses to try and make sure it is not so but with your Republican Party basically taken over by the Christian Right who have their private army in Blackwater, not sure whether you will go that way. What I am more sure about is that the thinking you present which of course you are not alone with, is very well presented on this forum at times much more fiercely than by yourself....but it is that kind of thinking which will lead to it. Fascism creates an outside enemy to draw together against. It does not see problems to be met and resolved.

 

Ok a Christian burning a Jewish effigy at an anti Muslim rally??? That's hilarious and tragic at the same time. Anyway since they've been detained does that stop the rally from happening?

 

I personally have never had a problem with Jews because in spite of their belief that they are "special", they don't choose to blow other people up to prove it.

 

You have never had a problem with 'jews' though you speculate they have a issue or two. Though there may be some extremist Jews who think themselves special in the way you say, how you are describing this is a misconception. My question was not so much whether individual people were antisemetic, just recognising that the anti Muslim hatred and the more extreme way that is developing would affect more than Muslims. The only way such a thing could be in any way accepted would be under a fascist regime and then not only would other minorities be at risk but of course liberals/ the left/the non far right right/ and Christians who are not the Christian Right. (I was horrified to discover that the UK appears to have developed its own version of the American Christian right some say of the nature of 2,000,000 - last I heard that was the number of ordinary practising Christians in the UK.!)

Yes, the extremists are foul - though to an extent acting like Prof Snyder described people acted in WW2 after they no longer belonged to a State - something by the way which the Palestinians have been suffering for since 48.


The argument though could definitely be made that historically Zionists have 'blown people up' and that was how Israel came into being but that is not the subject of the thread. I hate extremist Islam but I do not understand why the far right does not acknowledge their role in this - the mass killing of Muslims and destruction of their States which the neo cons and Christian right set in motion.

http://www.alternet.org/story/68540...right_alliance_brought_down_the_house_of_bush

and why they blame all Muslims for the actions of the radicals.

 

First of all, people need to stop using silly labels such as far right. They don't even know what far right means. Anyone who disagrees with deluded anarchists, leftists and liberals is far right. Ridiculous people.

I see that the British fifth columnists prefer turning once Great Britain into Sweden. Bear in mind that the majority of Brits aren't Swedish. There's going to be fightback.

Leaked Police Report Exposes 23 Muslim-Controlled "No Go Zones" In Sweden: Plagued With Violence, Sexual Assaults, & Gun Crimes

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...controlled-no-go-zones-sweden-plagued-violenc

New Shock Report Shows Muslims Building a “Nation Within a Nation,” Bringing Sharia Law to Britain

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/new-...-nation-bringing-sharia-law-to-britain_042016

 

Political hypocrisy summed up in two lines!

 

You cannot under any kind of democracy get the situation going where people are taking away the Citizenship of Muslims and worse which is what such people are now suggesting. Where people are inciting intolerance and persecution. This is calling Far right/fascism what it is.

Fascinating Surfer has no problem with this

link above

Not far right to Surfer!

 

I agree with silver surfer, far right is far too polite a phrase for these fascist scumbags.

 

Seems totally reasonable to keep out the haters with speeches like this ^^
Just a mild support for a genocide.

 

^^
Jacek Międlar is far right / nazi.
There....



But I know where this thing comes from of denial of the far right that they are far right. You lot invent new labels like "third position" or "alt-right". But it's just all and the same, bro.

 

The US is still really racist, with their white privilege, blm and all that.
Not so surprising since they ended their apartheidlaws in the late 1960's.

 

Yes I know, I was being sarcastic

 

From an article in the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...st-jacek-miedlar-detained-at-stansted-airport

It seems the main reason he was refused entry was because of fears of creating division/increase in extremism in the Polish community. In the past Muslims asked for someone not to be allowed in for the same reason but on this occasion May who was Home Sec did not listen - he was trying to get recruits to Syria and it was during the time the Government was supporting them.

Apart from his obvious antisemitism, the other issues which he supports which are beginning to appear a 'norm' among these people are hatred of the left, hatred of Muslims and support of the Christian Right. (No doubt hatred of gays and misogyny are there too.) These are certainly fascist traits.

 

The American people as a whole have only a dim idea that their leadership had anything at all to do with the suffering going on in the Mideast right now, because much of it was done clandestinely through gun running, as in the Benghazi fiasco. Our media is actually that bad.

In any case, Americans as a whole are affronted when targeted by terrorists because the terrorism is useless without explaining the reason--and if there is an explanation, why bother with the terrorism to begin with? . After 9-11 there was no clear-cut explanation given to the American people as a whole as to why it was done, and frankly I personally still don't understand the specifics of why.

When people choose to blow up others rather than communicate in a more clear fashion, and that is a habitual behavioral pattern in a culture, there are some cultures that are simply not going to want people in that are members of that culture, whether they themselves support the behavior or not. It's a little like frying an egg--a few little pieces might break off but most of it sticks together. I can see the US as a whole welcoming the broken off parts of Islam like the Sufis and the branch of Islam that rejects violence, but many of us over here think our and other governments are crazy to let anyone else in from that belief system, and it is not "fascists" that are thinking this, it is ordinary people. That is a label progressive Marxists are thrusting onto anyone that is not willing to be a cultural patsy.

You have to remember people are better educated now than they were in the 40's and the same type of knee jerk politics is not as prevalent. That is why most of us were willing to give Islam a "grain of salt" and still attempt to be positive with that cultural group after 9-11, but Islam has made it quite clear since then that if tolerated the behavior will go on and on forever...and we are simply not willing to accept this, any more than we accept the tantrums of a two year old.

As far as other groups being pulled into a lack of tolerance mindset, the more radical "people of color" have now made it abundantly clear that when they become the majority they fully intend to discriminate against whites. Since they have clearly spelled out our future for us and we can now see clearly how white farmers are being exterminated in South Africa, etc., IMO self protective actions are justified and have nothing to do with fascism. As individuals, most middle class whites, Hispanics, and African Americans have more in common than not, but IMO it is the uneducated, low intelligence extremes of populations, led by a few clever opportunists, that tend to cause the worst internal destruction in a society. For some reason our leadership has been destabilizing our country by admitting too many such people, and it needs to stop.

The middle class has been ignored and taken for granted for years, and robbed in various ways both by our financials and the government, while at the same time expected to absorb and deal with the excesses created by a self indulgent governing class. The middle class has become a slave class that is supposed to be politically correct and to wait on and support people that are non contributors and unappreciative if not outright dangerous to boot, inflicted on us by an uncaring government. To object to current conditions is not fascism, it is democracy.

 

They do not keep out the hate mongering Mullahs.

 

Hasn't changed my mind as far as Muslims are concerned but not other religions who don't preach violence. Everyone should have the right to worship in any way they choose as long as it doesn't cause harm to others. Islam to date is the only one that doesn't fit that peaceful sentiment. They to the contrary teach their followers to infiltrate other cultures, implement Sharia Law, and kill all non believers. Therefore these hateful sociopaths should be banned from all western societies or the world as we know it will be gone forever. We cannot sit on our hands on this one and allow them to increase their numbers to the point they will rise up and commit Jihad. If we do, all lands they invade will continue to degrade until they eventually turn our streets into war torn rubble like those of the Middle East.

 

5 seconds spend on googling says you're just wrong.

 

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