Far-right activists detained at UK border before Britain First rally

And the government, and those with power and influence within the government, will then decide what is "responsible" free speech and what isn't.

The problem with this idea is that the line always moves against freedom of speech, not for it, so there will always be less of it.. Those who fought for the right to free speech, which is really the exchange of ideas and opinions, understand this very well and it took centuries before those freedoms were established and accepted. Those born in a free environment, and are aware of Britain's history, understand this very well.

Now, because some Muslims might be offended and kill people as a consequence, support against free speech will continue to grow in Britain, ironically the home of the Magna Carta and the freedom to speak one's mind - with the Hyde Park soap boxes being the greatest symbols of this freedom.

Those who support this idea of limiting personal opinions tend to lack the imagination free thought inspires. Instead they're locked into ideas that are not arrived at through debate and discussions but by coercion and intimidation. They can't support their ideas through the time honored methods in the free world so take the path identified with the third world, the censorship of ideas, speech and, eventually, thought.

Quite apart from the threats, killings, intimidation, Islamification, and so on, the removal of free expression will one day be regarded as the greatest tragedy to ever befall Great Britain.

 

The 'hatred and violence' we see in Western Europe, and many other parts of the world, is being created and propagated by Muslims. Your unsubstantiated claim that Americans murdered over 100,000 men, women and children is such an example. This is Taqiyya, an accepted and encouraged part of Islam. In fact your posts suggest Taqiyya is one of your specialties, though you have numerous colleagues involved in the practice. From a non-Muslim point of view it's difficult to tell whether a writer is practicing Taqiyya or is just ignorant of history and the facts.

When people speak out against Islam and its treatment of Gays, women, children, etc,. Muslims quickly assume the role of victim-hood, pretending that they are the aggrieved because some "right wing" source is 'preaching hatred and violence". Of course that now includes anyone who dares criticize Islam, no matter how trivial that criticism might be. From a Muslim's POV it's all "Hate Speech" now, and that perspective, and the underlying threats behind it, is likely to grow.

 

Anyone who disagrees with the third world concept of outlawing free speech is now a "far right moron'. That's the sort of simple-minded analysis we've come to expect from those who've been indoctrinated in ignorance and violence at an early age.

 

You are right. That was far too few.

 

If it was OVER 100,000 how can it be too few?

That's your "expert" again, huh? Why do you bother with such nonsensical conspiracy sites???

 

Well as a consequence of American adventures in the ME the estimates are at least a million dead and of course several million refugees but I thought you would like that video on what the US gets up to on the side. With ISIS in mind I was particularly interested in the number of beheadings, chopping off of arms and so on by US death squads. It sadly made me realise that ISIS's activities are not that novel.

 

You thought I would like it despite my never being interested in your goofy conspiracy sites? When you want to discuss issues based on facts let's do it , but your sites, and your claims, are just too silly to take seriously. They demean those who post them.

 

And it seems we are dealing with children here, though with adult bodies and a willingness to murder anyone who dares criticize their ideology.. How can any rational adult justify what happened at Charlie Hebdo? Only a Muslim, or perhaps a Leftist, could do that.

 

It is the very ignorant who respond to words with violence. Let the words continue but condemn the violence.

However that's easier said than done in a culture unaccustomed to the concept of free speech and ideas.

 

There's a strong push now to curtail or diminish the First Amendment, as well as the Second, and the Universities exert a great deal of pressure on public opinion, though it seems 'the public' is finallystriking back.. We can see now how important Donald Trump was to the Supreme Court.and the consequent protection of those Amendments.

 

Oh your usual cheap response. It was the New York Times one time. No, it is two well respected investigative journalists. I had meant to include this part as well

The no 1 culprit of the creation of this is the US which as a democracy is working on behalf of its citizens. You really would do better sorting out your own carnage which amounts to millions of civilian deaths, before you start wondering why others are angry.

 

Right. Muslims murder, rape, and torture each other (plus thousands of others) and it's the fault of the democracies, free speech, and all the rest of it. We know. There is no end to Muslim complaints.

 

Let in Islamic extremists, keep out those who oppose Islamic extremists. Sounds like Britain has adopted a very (((kosher))) policy.

 

I agree. I hope he was worth it! lol...

 

This is what happens when you give out participation ribbons, and tell every kid they are special. I don't think we ever thought they would still think this as adults; we just wanted them to feel better as kids.

 

sadly people of every description murder and rape.

Here is an interesting one for you about your beloved Christian Right.

They of course are driven by hard right ideology not moral conviction.

'The Republican/Religious right coalition controlled all three branches of federal government from Jan 1st 2006 to Jan 3rd 2007. During those 11 months the chief executive, the majority leader of the Senate and the Speaker of the house of representatives all claimed to be evangelical Christians unalterably opposed to abortion. They made no attempt to outlaw abortion. They did however pass and sign into law the military commissions act in Oct 2006 which sought to legitimise the use of torture.'

Yup those Christian Right sure like the Death Penalty and torture.

(not that I am not against abortion and nor were Evangelicals in the early mid 70's)

source Rev. Dr. Randall Balmer
True Origins of the Religious Right. Emory University.

There you go again, being dishonest about what was said. The US in it's Death Squaeds/proxy wars etc are responsible for millions of civilian deaths. Some of these deaths were done by public beheading and crucifixion Given that the US is a Democracy yes,the people of the US who do not condemn this have a responsibility for allowing the killing of millions of civilians in the most barbaric and inhumane way.

In the creation of fanatical Muslim groups itself the US has prime responsibility, creating them as such a force for the first time during the Afghan/Russia/US war despite the repeated concerns of Afghan Abdul Haq who told the US exactly what they were like and asked them to stop funding them. It was later found the CIA was well aware what they were like and they loved it as they knew they would be far more fanatical than democratic minded Afghan's and further would not be nearly as quick to sign a peace treaty - the US wanted to bankrupt the USSR

ISIS are really only your baby. You should be careful what you create. These ones are massacring Muslims.

 

Aw, yes, the 'They all do it' excuse. Is there any other group anywhere so identified with rape and terrorism than Muslims? Of course not.

Please, no more of your childish cut and paste conspiracy theories.

 

How utterly pathetic. The Christian church ruled with iron fist, while the monarchs ruled by divine right from God.... for centuries upon centuries.

 

Thing remains: you're wrong. And you could have known that by just spending 5 seconds with google. Maybe if you tried for 1 minute you find some more. We will never know,... you rather stay ignorant and spew your bias and unfounded opinion. Thanks for playing.

 

I fail to see a connection between a Islam, suicide terrorists and rape. That you read on dodgy sites that all muslims rape, and they are all terrorists... says a lot more about you than about the reality around us.

 

Yes, rape and murder are not something only done by people of colour. Nor torture. In particular the American Christian Right did not go for passing any abortion Acts, no they went for The Military Commission Act 2006 supporting the legitimate use of torture...no complaints from you when it is them supporting torture in your name.

The massacres (US) you have done around are also not something that you alone do. The difference is that you being the Imperial Power have done far more of them and that being a Democracy you bear responsibility.

That's all you can manage. Ad homenien and strawman personal attacks....and of course your anti Muslim bile.....and to go back to what was said. The US is no better than radical Islam groups. It was the US which funded and trained and brought them into existence. As to whether it minds them now or funds them now, seems to depend on who they are fighting.

 

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If you were so stressed over antisemitism, then why have you not complained one bit about the total lack of Jews and synagogues in Syria, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Libya.....

Muslims have never let Jews or Christians thrive whenever they take over the land.

 

So now nothing actually. I just stated that racism is just rather there in the US, with it's BLM and all of that. YOU said it aint so, because look at all them interracial marriages. Hence I just proved you were wrong. And that is it.

 

This has nothing to do with who I am stressed over. We have people who have started in posts inciting terrorism against Muslims - this happened for instance in the thread about the terror attack in Finsbury Park. Now that is it going out front and moving to violence but there are many posters who spend their lives trying to incite hatred against Muslims, clearly they are in the same vogue. Things are written in this forum which never ever would have been written when I first came and which are obviously trying to build up hate towards Muslims in just the same way it was against Jews in the 1930's. There is now no question that that is a possible future in some places. I was simply curious as to whether the reality that if they get this started it will not just be against Muslims, it will include Jews and of course blacks but I understand American blacks are ready for civil war so they will give back what they get and likely Muslims and Jews will join them if it comes to that - who knows even the left as well, no question the Muslim haters hate the left as well as do the Christian Right - together they probably would present a real danger to the left... but that is for the future. I was just curious in case there might have been some who did not know what they were doing who would think again when they see how genuine antisemites and Muslim haters go together - if it did make a difference to any, I missed the post.