Far-right activists detained at UK border before Britain First rally

ROFL ... Everything the lefties guilt as usual and the Republicans / righties are the angels on this planet. I get a laugh attack!

 

Wouldn't have anything to do with Muslim Moors conquering that area?

 

Could be or it might be that Franco used Muslims as the shock troops to overturn the democratic government of Spain and plunge Spain into decades of dictatorship. He was of course backed by the Catholic Church!

 

One of the uncomfortable facts behind the history which is liked to be ignored and told...
Spanish hate Muslims at most in Europe ... maybe because the long history of Inquisition. Cool ... but the fact you named is of course not told, because would change the issue a little bit more and let it look changed and so not told!

 

Not being a Spaniard, I don't know how much affect Franco's Muslims had on their thinking. It would at the least bring back memories of the past and with the Muslims coming from colonial lands, I can see where they could be ruthless against Franco's enemies. There are few times in history where the Catholic church acted like angels.

 

Your loaded language is a logical ffallacy in itself, and it contains two other types of logical fallacies: ad-hominem and unproven premises. How you manage to cram so many logical fallacies into so little bandwidth is beyond...erm...logic.

Please explain what an hasbara shrill is.

Please explain why you called me an hasbara shrill, what is hasbara, and why is it bad.

Please explain how do you know what an hasbara shrill loves.

Please explain why shouldn't antizionism be equated with antisemitism, how are the two different.

Then I'll be able to answer your post correctly.

 

It was quite simple to cram so many logical fallacies into one post, I simply followed your post of unfounded accusations, ad-hominen attack and unproven premises.

Anti Zionism is a political objection to the creation of Israel in another's land.
Anti Semitism is a hatred of Jews.

Not all Jews are zionists, not all zionists are Jews.

It is a bit like I detest Islamic Radicals which makes me anti Islamic Radicals not anti Muslim which would make me Islamophobic.

 

"We the people"? Like in 65 million citizens of UK all condone the same practices and collectively bear responsibility for them? Are all Muslim citizens in US responsible for, say, invading Iraq, or the treatment of prisoners at Abu Grahib?

Responsibility is individual, Alexa. If you can't see that, there's no difference between you and the far-right antisemitic anti-Muslim activists.

Really? I'm glad you understand that accusing only white-majority democracies of plunging the world into chaos it's racist. That was the gist of the post I answered.

When I look at Christians I see human beings, not the right or the wrong type of ideology. I don't believe in their god, but I'm well aware that religious beliefs are a crucial component of human spirituality. Yes, the same is true for Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Baha'i, whatever. I never hold a whole community responsible for the actions of individual members, not even when the majority of those individuals tacitly agree with those actions. I know only too well that nobody is without sin, on all sides. Who am I to cast the stone?

I prefer to look at the little things, the daily facts of life, the details that make the difference between demon and angel, between radical and moderate, between hate and love on one side and indifference on the other. This is where the common human traits can be found. This is where the most basic skill of humans - the wonderful surviving skill that kept us alive through all adversities - resides. I'm talking about compromise, Alexa. I don't like the Christian far-right any more than you do, and I certainly don't like the far-left, but I see them both as necessary evils in a society whose core values are individual rights and individual freedoms.

I refuse to live in a society divided in the right type of people and the wrong type of people, no matter what standards are used. That's why your tirade against the Christian far-right doesn't have the emotional impact it was meant to have.

I've been wondering for years what's the difference - if any - between intolerance of intolerance and simply intolerance. I'm still wondering. I'm somewhat intolerant of intolerance myself, but I'm not quick to judge.

I refer you to the logical fallacies in RiaRaeb's post above.

 

So you open your post with loaded language and a logical fallacy, to suggest the left see's only democracies as to blame has no basis in fact, by far the majority of the left believe in social democracies. I, nor anyone else I know of the left have anything against white, chritians, in fact that kind of generalisation based on race and religion is abhorrent to the left. Then you finish with a completely unfounded premise and ad homineim attack.

Now I explained why antisemitism does not equate to antizionism, perhaps you wish to explain your remarks?

 

There's no mention of the left, or the right, in my post. I was talking about the far-left. Not to be confounded with the moderate or center left.

There are on the left people I admire. Not on the far-left though.

There are on the right people I admire. Not on the far-right though.

 

Strawman

Another strawman

A bit of a strawman but we could say you are ignorant on what was being discussed so there is no point in talking it further.

To which he has replied and waits your further reply.

 

They would be better trying to book themselves a wing in a jail judging from the time they spend there. In particular given that Jo Cox's murderer was shouting 'Britain First' during his murder of her and what with Golding's statement on leaving prison, I think they might quicker find themselves being a banned group.

http://hopenothate.org.uk/research/the-hate-files/britain-first/



Of course he could be turn out to be a new Fuher but I don't see it. You cannot really let into government in a liberal democracy someone who has promised to kill half of the people of that country! You like this group?

 

Your "point" or your agenda is to equate anyone who does not want their nation overrun with Muslims to be Jew-hating Nazis.

Retaliatory attacks, like few in Canada, the UK and the US, have been pretty rare, yet expected----given the violence committed by so many radical Muslims in the West.

How about holding ALL people to the same moral and behavioral standard? In my opinion, anyone who refuses to hold conservative Islamic nations to the same standards are really no better than the Nazis they so fear.

 

Oh I am not saying fascist without a fair amount of study. I also believe that some people may find themselves in that company by 'accident'. The hope would be that they would change their position.

No that is definitely your mindset - not saying other people do not share it but that has no reason to be true.

which is the reason that Governments of Liberal Democracies have a responsibility to make sure that minorities are protected. I remember during your election hearing you had some specific thing which was supposed to do this, that generally it just would be impossible for Trump to keep on talking the way he was but....the safeguards on your democracy were fragmenting. A democracy must look after all of its citizens. They are all equal.

Liberal Democracy

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/liberal_democracy

I am not that sure you have been a good place to end prejudice and you have a massive amount of it in your past. Your past is of genocide and slavery. You had apartheid till almost the end of the 60's in some states and seem to have only managed a sort of token ability for black people's social mobility - of course social mobility ended for most people around the time you gave them supposed equal rights. One reason for having things like equal rights. equality of opportunity/ social mobility is because you tend to get a more healthy society - that is less mental illness and crime.

Who are these 'malevolent' people and what has been done to them to make them feel a need of vengeance?

Doesn't sound like either of them would be much good. You should have elected Bernie, your only hope. I was listening to a video the other day and what if, all the people the US have been killing, got together, worked together. It's still playing round in my head but things cannot stay this way for ever.

 

No, my point was as I said. To try to find out whether people were aware of just what they were getting into.

You want more terrorist attacks against Muslims? Killing of Politicians?

I am no supporter of for instance the Saudi or Egyptian Regime. I mention them because they are probably the two I have spoken about the most. This however is not what it is about. RiaRaeb put it earlier He said

so it is not that people do not condemn the extremists. It is that some people like to take it out on the innocent. That's what makes the difference.

 

Then certainly "We The Muslims" bear a responsibility for Islamic terrorism given that, unlike a democracy, all their beliefs come from the same source.

 

Muslims are no more responsible for Islamic Terrorism than Christians are responsible for The Lords Resistance Army!

 

This post is a prime example of the divisiveness and push toward violence promoted by progressive Marxism.

 

Great post.

 

What is a Scottish progressive marxist, I am intrigued!

 

Unless of course the wrong type of people are progressive Marxists!

 

Never heard of them before. You're one of the few on this board that keeps up on such people and attempts to make predictions of dire future developments due to them. Like our media, IMO you magnify nothing into a recognizable but probably often fictitious force

 

If you live in the UK you would of heard of them, perhaps if you are going to comment on a thread about Britain First, you might want to "hear" of them!

 

Well I'll be and there was I replying to a post of yours when you were wanting to know why they could be a 'pseudo' political group


http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ain-first-rally.508161/page-7#post-1067670993


followed on by one in which you said that their incompetence did not matter and were still gunning for them to be political


http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ain-first-rally.508161/page-9#post-1067675648

You put all this effort in for someone you had not heard of.

or did you maybe get a wee bit worried when you realised the people you were gunning for had already had one politician killed in their name and their 'leader' was claiming other politicians, journalists and that type of person called a 'leftist' were going to meet their ends at the hands of the group who you were promoting to become political, Britain First. - amazing what kind of warmth just being a Muslim hater can get from some people.

 

Indeed and support them.