Russia, friend or foe?

So is France our enemy now and every single nation that we interfered with their elections our enemy?

Just asking a question, not downplaying the possible though unlikely Russian hack of our voting systems.

 

Of course, there was, to bog down the Soviet Union in their "Vietnam," causing the downfall of the Soviet empire. Along with several other factors, it worked, too, proving once again to those faithful to Russia that Russia is our enemy.

 

So, we're in a state of war with Russia?

 

Huh? Now there is a giant leap. What a foolish question.

Children shouldn't play with daddy's computer.

 

Nice dodge. You're dismissed.

 

Oh, I believe you. What I am saying is this. Like you, 90 million eligible voters didn't vote in the last election. Trump was elected by a group of anarchists and uneducated blue collar workers who blamed Washington for their failures. They represent a distinct minority of American voters, but Trump got elected because 90 million plus one didn't vote.

That makes you and the other 90 million responsible for the absolutely disgusting and repulsive Trump winning the Oval Office.

Clinton probably would not have been a great President, but, with her background, she would have been an adequate one.

Trump is an unmitigated disaster.

 

Funny how you call blue collar workers uneducated, and yet here you are shilling for Clinton.

Pot meet kettle.

 

You need to read my latest on this forum, "The Trump administration is beginning to unravel." I'd love to hear your views after you read it. I'd like all Trump fans to read it. I would be interested in their views.

The article is well researched. I spent quite a bit of time on it.

No, i can't read minds, but I follow matters to their logical conclusion. I can tell when a poster is making desperate statements.

 

Generally speaking, blue collar workers do not have a college education. The majority of Trump supporters do not have a college education, but Clinton attracted the support of those with a college education.

In the 2016 election, a wide gap in presidential preferences emerged between those with and without a college degree. College graduates backed Clinton by a 9-point margin (52%-43%), while those without a college degree backed Trump 52%-44%. This is by far the widest gap in support among college graduates and non-college graduates in exit polls dating back to 1980.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...s-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/

Trump caused a change in how Republicans view college education.

Republicans have grown increasingly negative about the impact of colleges and universities on the United States. But last year, most Republicans said that colleges do well in preparing people for good jobs in today’s economy.

The change in Republicans’ views of the effect colleges and universities have on the country is striking. Currently, 58% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say colleges and universities have a negative effect on the way things are going in the country, while just 36% say their effect is positive, according to a survey conducted last month by Pew Research Center. Just two years ago, attitudes were the reverse: a 54% majority of Republicans and Republican leaners said colleges were having a positive effect, while 37% said their effect was negative.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-most-see-benefits-for-workforce-preparation/

What was that about the pot and the kettle?

 

Why getting a college degree doesn't always pay off
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/bb/getting-college-degree-doesnt-always-pay

So, when you're in debt for the rest of your adult life with trying to pay off school loans, and still delivering pizzas at Pappa Johns, I'll be laughing my ass off, while making a good living, because I went to community college for two years, and then trade school for another two years, and I don't owe a cent. Your move, spud.

 

Considering how very little President Trump has done one way or the other I think it is a gross exaggeration to call him an "unmitigated disaster".

I would call his presidency "disappointing".

 

Except that I'm not desperate. I'm disgusted with the Deep State and the hooks it has into people like you.

 

Leaches always know where to get the blood they suck.

 

I attended college, no scholarship and my parents were poor. I paid the loan off in five years. I fulfilled a dream by becoming a teacher. A war was going on, Vietnam, and duty called. Because I had a college degree, I was able to attend Marine OCS, Quantico, and became an officer in three months, fulfilling still another dream.

A college degree opens doors. A college degree gives you alternatives throughout your working life. It does not limit what you can do.

Because of the college degree my family and I could move away from the bitter cold of Minnesota winters and live in SoCal, about the only place in the nation that has not experienced weather disasters in the past year. That alone was worth the effort and expense of a college education.

 

When Trump laughs at reporters with that smug look on his face

because they are just doing their jobs and he won't answer their questions because he is afraid to, that has a tendency to get my ire up. When that happens I use colorful language.

That said, "disappointing" is an understatement. It doesn't go to depths of his total incompetence. "Unmitigated disaster" does.

 

The truth hurts doesn't it. This is truth about Trump supporters. The bulk of them are in fact uneducated.

Generally speaking, blue collar workers do not have a college education. The majority of Trump supporters do not have a college education, but Clinton attracted the support of those with a college education.

In the 2016 election, a wide gap in presidential preferences emerged between those with and without a college degree. College graduates backed Clinton by a 9-point margin (52%-43%), while those without a college degree backed Trump 52%-44%. This is by far the widest gap in support among college graduates and non-college graduates in exit polls dating back to 1980.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...s-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/

Trump caused a change in how Republicans view college education.

Republicans have grown increasingly negative about the impact of colleges and universities on the United States. But last year, most Republicans said that colleges do well in preparing people for good jobs in today’s economy.

The change in Republicans’ views of the effect colleges and universities have on the country is striking. Currently, 58% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say colleges and universities have a negative effect on the way things are going in the country, while just 36% say their effect is positive, according to a survey conducted last month by Pew Research Center. Just two years ago, attitudes were the reverse: a 54% majority of Republicans and Republican leaners said colleges were having a positive effect, while 37% said their effect was negative.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-most-see-benefits-for-workforce-preparation/

Now that explains a lot of the replies I get.

 

Like many former teachers you are an elitist. I wonder how many students you harmed with your class prejudice.

 

Since when does not having a college degree mean "uneducated"?

Isn't that unremittingly elitist?

 

I am simply providing facts concerning a college education. That makes me an elitist?

Of course, that is the way it is with Trump fans. If the the facts are unpleasant, blame the source of the facts and label him with a personal insult.

 

A person who lacks a college education is uneducated. I didn't say unintelligent.

 

Back to the subject at hand. We seemed to have drifted off course. Of course, that was the intent of Trump's friends.

It is quite damning for Trump that his son accepted an invitation from the Russian government to collude over damaging information concerning the Clinton campaign. Junior said he "loved" the idea and he, Trump's son-in-law, and Trump's campaign manager met with the Russians in Trump Tower in June 2016.

All three have testified in secret Congressional hearings this week and we have only their thoughts on the outcome of those hearings. Of course, they say they are innocent, but that is meaningless.

The New York Times looked into the legality of all this, and it is rather interesting.

What is collusion?
In general parlance, “collusion” means working together, usually in secret, to do something illicit. But the term has no defined legal meaning. Lawyers instead talk about the offense of “conspiracy.”

What is conspiracy?
In criminal law, the offense of conspiracy is generally an agreement by two or more people to commit a crime — whether or not they do. A powerful tool for prosecutors, conspiracy charges permit holding each conspirator responsible for illegal acts committed by others in the circle as part of the arrangement.

The meeting itself doesn't prove a conspiracy, but Renato Mariotti, a former federal prosecutor said, the revelations are important because if further evidence of coordination emerges, the contents of the emails and the fact of the meeting would help establish an intent to work with Russia on influencing the election.

“What this email string establishes is that Don Jr. was aware that the Russian government wanted to help the Trump campaign and he welcomed support from the Russian government,” Mr. Mariotti said.

By some strange coincidence Trump went absolutely nuts this past week, The very same week his son, his son-in-law, and his former manager were testifying behind close doors about collusion, er, conspiracy. We know Trump wears his emotions on his sleeve. Do you suppose there is any connection?

 

I don't know how long its been since you went to college, but if you think most modern colleges actually "educate" students then your information is woefully dated.

I don't like the fact that you keep labeling people who defend President Trump and members of his family or administration as "Trump fans" or "Trump friends".

I loathe the man and didn't vote for him and your continued references to such is immensely irritating.

If that is your intent then that qualifies as "trolling".

 

I honestly doubt that you are capable of discerning fact from opinion.

 

There are many kinds of education, and not all of them occur in school settings. Anyone that feels otherwise is a fool, and woefully uneducated themselves..

 

Attempting to obtain information is not collusion or conspiracy. You are working way too hard to plaster a Big Lie across the internet. I have begun to believe you are not what you claim to be.