Stop Pretending You're A Patriot

Really what about welfare and sanctuary cities? Those are clearly "For many" a permanent paid vacation and what is a sanctuary city but a defensive stronghold for criminals in this country illegally

 

Oh hell, Sweden? Christ man that will never happen, Swedes require 12 months continues employment and you must be somewhat fluent in their dialect or you're put in a dingy and pushed back in the ocean Most lefties are scared to death at the idea of a job and the only other dialect they know is Spanglish LMFAO

"I needo Gasolina for my Priusente por favor

 

I will tell you why I am not offended by this protest. Its quiet, completely silent. It is unobtrusive visually, unlike waving placards, or signs etc that distract . It is not destructive. They aren't throwing paint, or desecrating a flag. this particular form of 'protest' does not distract from everyone else enjoying that performance of the anthem. Heck you could easily not notice those players kneeling if you did not happen to look I respect that they are not trying to be more important than that anthem or take take all the of attention from it. Someone worked very hard to prepare that song, and we all still get to enjoy the fruits of that work while they kneel on that knee.

That is why I am ok with that kneel, but I am not their employer and I don't pay for that time, so if their employer says 'no', then I guess its no.

 

Wait is THIS who Gorns alt account is?!? How did I never realize that

 

Great job completely destroying the ops entire argument in a single sentence.

#LiberalsOwnWorstEnemy

 

Point me to an ACTUAL bad cop and we will be in total agreement. Problem is the left and all these racist black people tend to try and claim that literally EVERY cop is a “bad cop white supremacist evil racist”... even the nob white ones...

Remember that one dude that got shot and within a few hours the BLM terrorist were rioting and destroying the city because of “evil white cop kills innocent black kid who didn’t do nothin and racism racism racism!!!” Then it turned out the cop was black too. And the blm people still kept rioting because “RACISM!!!!!!”

 

Stop pretending to be a patriot? Yeah, I guess that whole deployment I did, and being a disabled combat vet is kinda irrelevant.

Symbols have meaning. We stand for that flag out of respect, because of the heroism at the Battle of Baltimore and the heroism ever since. Young men and women come home in caskets draped in that flag, and mothers receive the flag folded instead of theirs sons and daughters. Stop acting like it's just a piece of ****ing cloth.

If you real think it's just a piece of cloth, then you'll have no objection if people went around in front of gay bars and started burning rainbow flags, right? So long as they say they're protesting something else, like if they were to say, "we're burning LGBTQ flags in front of gay bars to protest the proposed hike in sales taxes". Then you see NO problem with that at all, right? The way you're talking, it sounds like you'd think anyone would have to be an idiotic fox news viewer to object to burning gay flags outside of gay bars to protest taxes.

 

bad cops should have to apply for welfare too, not collect a paycheck for not working

 

how about the one Trump pardoned

 

Well, at least you finally admit the protests are about getting back at Trump and not;

Oh, and stop being disingenuous, Trump never mentioned the race of the players protesting.

 

One would think most football players would appreciate a country where poor inner city kids could rise to making multiple millions of dollars a year for playing a child's game. I think most folks find it offensive for those Blessed to play in the NFL to disrespect the country that made it possible in such a manner. Myself, I could care less if Professional sports just went away.

 

I think we have drifted too far away from the question at hand. My point is who is paying for it, not if Inagree with the pales because I do not, yet they have a right to attempt their "free" speech. Remember that they are working for the team and the team can put restrictions on what they do on the field.

 

Actually, America was founded on war, not peaceful protests. We fought a revolution to be free of undue interference by a far off government that thought it knew better how we should live our lives than we do. As for veterans, I'm not sure where you get your information, but the heads of both the VFW and the American Legion have condemned the protests, and some local posts have started boycotting the games. "To watch or not to watch? Veterans mixed on NFL protests" http://www.mcall.com/news/local/mc-nws-nfl-protests-veterans-20170929-story.html

You're nuts, you know that? Protesting social injustice isn't more important than picking up dog doo in the yard, for God's sake. As for the latter statement, a) the flag doesn't represent genocide except in your delusional mind, and b) there were never 50 million AmerIndians in North America, not even when Columbus first set foot on a Caribbean island. The best estimate for the AmerIndian population of what is now the United States when it was first settled by Europeans is somewhere between 3-5 million, and we didn't kill all of them, since there are around 3 million of them now.

While I agree that Trump supporters are not conservatives, they are not fake patriots, they are real patriots, and they do not follow Trump's orders... Trump didn't create 4chan, 4chan created Trump. And if Trump goes against what he said he promised he would do, you can bet your ass 4chan and the rest of his supporters will turn on him like a rabid dog. Trump didn't create the resentment and hostility towards the fundamental transformation of America pushed by the liberal left, he tapped into it.

You obviously know nothing about the NFL. It clearly has an agenda, and pushes it forcefully, and yanks back anyone who tries to step outside of that agenda. And just as clearly, since it is condoning these protests, those protests fit within that agenda.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/16/opinions/nfl-needs-to-make-standing-for-anthem-a-rule-chi/index.html

You're misstating history. Colin Kaepernik started all this mess with his protests of the national anthem during the Obama administration. That the protests have spread and gotten more obnoxious during Trump's administration isn't Trump's fault, it's the fault of the NFL owners and coaches who haven't put a stop to it. Trump supporters aren't opposing football because Trump says to, they're opposing football because they agree with Trump. And most people don't really give a rat's ass whether or not some football player wants to protest America, what they don't like is making it part of a football game. There's a time and a place for everything, and the time to make political points isn't during the Oscars and it isn't during the pregame show for a football game.

Nice attempt at spin doctoring. Obama was talking about making white people a minority in their own country, reducing America's power and influence on the world stage, and crippling America's strongest-in-the-world economy so that it would be as poor as other nations.

“We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK. That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen.” — Barack Obama

Nonsense. If Trump switched positions, the "loyal fan base" would turn on him in a second. Real patriots are in favor of positions that help America, not hurt it. Liberals favor positions that are destroying America and then call themselves patriots.

Yes, they should feel lucky to get paid millions of dollars for playing a game. No, they should give up the right to protest while they are at work. They are there to do a job, and bringing politics to work is a big no-no in just about every major corporate entity in America. Google excepted, obviously.

And what sections or amendments of the Constitution do conservatives trample on, exactly? The imaginary ones that protect abortion, gay rights, and illegal aliens? Because I guarantee you, those aren't in there. Meanwhile, liberals trample on the rights to free speech (shutting down conservative speakers), religion (no bakery for you!), to keep and bear arms, and the full faith and credit clause (boycotting North Carolina), ALL of which ARE in the Constitution. So who is doing the trampling?

 

It's kinda hilarious listening to all these "small government" people mandating that someone pledge their allegiance to a Cloth Idol.

Fact: The More they try to make me do something, the less likely it's going to happen.

 

Thank you for being honest. At least you admit to not being a football fan for years.

By the way, I have much respect for Tom Landry. One of the last truly classy coaches in the NFL.

 

Small government has nothing to do with the sacrifices we have given to our country. Not surprised you don't have any respect for the dead or the those that have served.

 

Conservatives seek to interpret the Constitution strictly, leaving little wiggle room for wild interpretation. We love it exactly as it is worded. It's liberals who twist the Constitution to reach their political goals.

American virtues? Free enterprise, individualism, generosity, freedom, liberty, compassion,self-reliance, etc. I'm only mentioning a few; I'm on my way to work and don't have time to go into this deeper.

 

That’s what I’ve been saying all along. The NFL owners own the message that the NFL projects. The players can buy advertising time if they want to protest instead of stealing NFL fans during an NFL broadcast.

 

The same rhetoric was everywhere during the Vietnam War. Students and others who protested the war were told "my country right or wrong".. "America love it or leave it".. They were called subversives.. or the equivalent of "snowflakes".. The hawks didn't want to have THAT conversation.. So 50,000 dead soldiers later and Vietnam established as a communist country, we came home.

 

You sure have a short memory.......

 

You sure have a short memory.......

 

We can get into various sections but the main principle on which this nation was founded, and on which the constitution is supposed to be interpreted is respect for individual rights and freedoms. The DOI puts individual rights and freedoms/ liberty "Above" the legitimate authority of Gov't.

Red hates individual liberty. Where were all the Red politicians during the war on drugs (Pot in particular ?).. Trampling on the liberty .. that's where. Trump has now re-instated asset forfeiture. Have you never heard of the right to private property ?

The call of the revolution was "give me liberty or give me death". Red now seems to think it is our "Patriotic Duty" to give up essential liberty.

You brought up abortion. Since the legitimate purview of Gov't is protection of citizens from harm, some have claimed this is a legitimate purview of Gov't. Since when has a single human cell (the zygote) been considered a citizen ?

There is no consensus among experts that the zygote is a living human. Sure there are those who believe the zygote is a human on the basis of religious belief, and they are welcome to that belief.

There is a difference between 1) having a religious belief and 2) forcing that religious belief on another human through physical violence (Law). That is the point behind separation of Church and State.

 

Innocent until proven guilty, so they say, you have to pay them, administrative leave.

 

Not sure who told you the above but they were telling you lies. The Constitution is to be interpreted on the basis of the principles outlined in the DOI.

1) Individual rights and freedoms/Liberty "Above" the legitimate authority of Gov't. Do make some attempt to understand what this means.

Here is the short explanation give by Jefferson. Keep in mind that the context is in relation to essential liberty.

If you like I can give a more lengthy treatment but this should do for now.

2) Authority of Gov't comes from "we the people" as opposed to divine right/God as was the case in the past.

These are the two principles on which the constitution and law is supposed to be interpreted.

Red Establishment "hates" these principles.

Free Enterprise: Red hates free and fair markets. They love giving out corporate welfare and encourage anti competitive practices that bastardize free markets and keep the little guy from competing.

Generosity: Right .. those welfare and food stamp loving Conservatives

Liberty: Red Establishment hates essential liberty ... are you friggen kidding me ? Are you blind. How many times have I posted on this to you. Do you have reading comprehension issues ?

Red made it our "Patriotic Duty" to give up essential liberty .. Give me a friggen break ... never mind Pot, Prostitution, Porn and any other liberty that their Puritan extremist religious zealotry objects to.

The right of a woman to her own body. Holy Carp it goes on and on.

Right to Private property, Right to Privacy, Arbitrary search and Seizure, Right to a fair Trial, Fair and Free Media,

The better question is what essential Liberty hasn't Red Establishment gone after ?

 

Same old liberal crap. Conservatives are anti-liberty because we don't want babies killed. Abortion in the 21st century = slavery in the 19th century. The more people know about abortion, the less they like it.

Conservatives prefer to maximize freedom by minimizing government. Freedom is a zero sum game, and it's always the left that wants bigger (cradle to grave) government.

It's too bad the USSR is gone. 10% of our population would have been happy as pigs in slop over there.