Ex-Trump Adviser George Papadopoulos Pleads Guilty in Mueller’s Russia Probe

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  1. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Working with a foreign govt to break us laws and meddle in our election?
     
  2. The Mello Guy

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    Lol you all better hope he didn't wear a wire or cooperate but everyone seems to think he is
     
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    Buckle up. Tony Podesta and the Podesta Group are now the subjects of a federal investigation being led by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.
     
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    ??? No they didn't. There were no "emails of Clinton" in the Podesta or DNC emails.
     
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    What US law? And no laws against meddling in an election
     
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    No, the truth contained within the deleted Clinton emails.

    A digital file of emails isn't a prohibited "contribution"

    Revealing the truth isn't interference with an election. It is an enhancement of the election. Now a bunch of garbage about pee tapes of Trump and Russian hookers, provided by the Russians WOULD be interference because Bull **** interferes with the process of elections, truth does not.
     
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    Collusion is the descriptive word the news media has settled on to cover many potential illegal actions by the Trump campaign, which could range from aiding and abetting (18 USC 2) to conspiracy per se (18 USC 371) to conspiring to violate several potentially applicable laws like: 18 USC 1030—fraud and related activity in connection with computers; 18 USC 1343—wire fraud; or 52 USC 30121—contributions and donations by foreign nationals. Also, 18 USC 2381—for, contrary to a widespread belief that there must be a declared war, the Justice Department as recently as 2006 indicted for “aid and comfort” to our enemies, the form of collusion better known as treason. Collusion is the perfect word to cover such crimes, pejorative and inclusive.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/12/what-is-collusion-215366
     
  8. PrincipleInvestment

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    :roflol: If Popadopolous wore a wire, all Mueller discovered was how the campaign big boys liked their coffee.
     
  9. The Mello Guy

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    They tasked a coffee boy with meeting with kremlin agents for dirt on Hilary?
     
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    Yeah he was tasked ... Did he fly to london on Trumps private plane?
     
  11. The Mello Guy

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    Hell of a task for an errand boy lol
    Get us coffee and go collude with Russia
     
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    Do you hear yourself? :confuse: So Popadopolous is tasked, and no one notices he's late reporting back because he's been arrested? The campaign provides Mueller with all of Popadopolous emails, some that reference proposed meetings? If Trump were aware of the arrest, coffee orders are for sure all Popadopolous captured while wired. Bear in mind, Popadopolous London "contact" wasn't arrested. The professor says Popadopolous is a liar as well.
     
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    I have no idea what you're talking about, he wasn't arrested until after the campaign and he lied to the Feds, they didn't turn over the emails until after his arrest. So he lied to the campaign about colluding with Russia? Lol
    These trump hires..:nothing but the best lmao
     
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    He was't a paid staffer. And it's not that you don't understand, it's that you can't support your conspiracy theory. First he's tasked, but no one notices he's late reporting. Then he wears a wire to collect evidence of collusion that never happened. And though he's Muellers informant Trump provides Mueller with Popadopolous Russian related emails. No reconciling that theory ... it's absurd.
     
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    A 20 something volunteer as an adviser? :roflol:
     
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    Your argument makes zero sense as an explanation...why did they send him to collude?
    What do you mean late reporting?
     
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    Another exercise in obtusery? Obviously no one sent him anywhere. If they had, they'd have anticipated his arrival, and expected an update. No one was waiting for Popadopolous to return, except Mueller. Trump provided Mueller with Popadopolous emails, even though some refered to Popadopolous attempts at arranging meetings. So Trump didn't know Popadopolous went to London, or been arrested. Is that "clear" enough?
     
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    This all happened long before Mueller so why would he have been anticipating his arrival?
     
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    Did you not claim Popadopolous was sent, by Trump to collude? None of your imaginary conspirators would have noticed their intermediary went missing for a time? Wouldn't it be unwise to then provide Mueller with emails about your alleged "collusion"? Keep spinning ... :spin:
     
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    We already know their argument is that collusion is legal. They'd be idiots to hide emails Mueller can subpoena or get from papodopolous
     
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    Collusion is simply an arrangement to participate. Unless you are participating in an illegal activity, there is no charge that can arise. Trump could have had his lawyer bleach bit his hard drives right? I mean, just because Mueller ordered him to preserve docs doesn't mean he couldn't "wipe" non campaign related emails. Plenty of recent precedent establishing that. lol
     
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    In 2016, Trump was touting George Papadopoulos as being in his elite "brain trust" on foreign affairs.
    Now, after coming clean with the Trump Justice Department Special Counsel, Papadopoulos suddenly gets a yooj retroactive demotion!
    That's the laughable lie they're pushing.
    Of course, Trump's lies will only sell with the folks who wouldn't stop worshiping him even if he shot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue.
     
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    Papadopoulos was so good at serving coffee that he was allowed to sit at the same table as Trump during the campaign.
     
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    A lot of nothing here. Trump's fine, he's elected and next thing you know the stock market took off like the boy who knocked up the mayor's daughter.
     
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    No where.

    The Papadopoulos indictment clears Trump and his inner circle. Papadopoulos was a fringe figure, not plugged into Trump’s inner circle.

    Papadopoulos met an unidentified Russian academic (referred to as “the Professor”), who claimed to have significant ties to Putin-regime officials and who took an interest in Papadopoulos only because he boasted of having Trump-campaign connections. They both appeared to try to magnify their importance: Papadopoulos suggesting to the Russians that he could make a Trump meeting with Putin happen, and suggesting to the campaign that he could make a Putin meeting with Trump happen; the Professor putting Papadopoulos in touch with a woman who Papadopoulos was led to believe was Putin’s niece (she was is not); and lots and lots of talk about potential high- and low-level meetings between Trump-campaign and Putin-regime officials that never happened.

    The Professor told Papadopoulos that he (the Prof) had learned that top Russian-government officials had obtained “dirt” on Drunken Hillary, including “thousands of emails” — “emails of Clinton.” Suggesting that the Russians were keen to give this information to the Trump campaign.

    We don't know that the Professor was telling Papadopoulos the truth. By April 2016, it had been known for over a year that Hillary Clinton had used a private email system for public business and had tried to delete and destroy tens of thousands of emails. The Russians could well have been making up a story around that public reporting in order further to cultivate the relationship with Papadopoulos. The Professor suggested the Russians had Clinton’s own emails. But the emails we know were hacked were not Clinton’s — they were the DNC’s and John Podesta’s. So, Papadopoulos’s Russian interlocutors could have been weaving a tale based on what had been reported, rather than on what was actually hacked and ultimately released by WikiLeaks.

    More significant: If the Russians acquired thousands of Clinton emails and then had to inform a tangential Trump campaign figure of this fact so he could pass it along to the campaign, that would mean Trump and his campaign had nothing to do with the acquisition of the emails.

    There is simply no evidence that the Trump campaign conspired with the Putin regime to do something federal law makes a crime — for example, to hack communications systems.

    A criminal investigation is about proving crimes, and still no one can explain what the potential crime is here.

    Papadopoulos did not plead guilty to collusion with Russia, he was never even asked to. For a prosecutor, there is nothing better than getting a cooperating accomplice to admit guilt to the scheme the prosecutor is investigating. It goes a long way toward proving that the scheme existed. Once you’ve got that, it’s much easier to prove that the cooperator’s confederates are guilty, too. There is no evidence that Papadopoulos committed a crime with Russia. There’s just a single false-statement charge on which, according to the plea agreement, he’s probably looking at no jail time, and certainly no more than six months. Why no criminal collusion charge? Because no such thing occurred.

    Despite months of investigation, there is no criminal conspiracy case to charge. Even though Mueller has gotten active cooperation from Papadopoulos, there is no indication that the defendant has provided any evidence that comes close to implicating the president in a crime.

    Further, the offense statement supporting the plea helps Trump politically. There is an interesting footnote on page 8. Here’s the context: On May 21, 2016, Papadopoulos emailed an unidentified top Trump-campaign official, explaining with urgency that Russian officials wanted to meet Trump and “have been reaching out to me to discuss.” Mueller then drops this footnote:

    The government notes that the official forwarded defendant PAPADOPOULOS’s email to another Campaign official (without including defendant PAPADOPOULOS) and stated: “Let’s discuss. We need someone to communicate that DT is not doing these trips. It should be someone low level in the campaign so as not to send any signal.

    So Trump had no intention of meeting with Russians, and if there are going to be meetings at all, it must be at a low level so the Russians do not construe Trump to be making any commitments or accommodations.

    The Trump campaign would have been delighted to get dirt on Clinton from Moscow, just as the Clinton campaign was delighted to get dirt on Trump from Moscow, but it appears in the context of Papadopoulos’s case that they were taking pains not to make express or implied deals with the Kremlin.

    The Papadopoulos plea deal does more to undermine than establish a real, actionable collusion case against the president.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...rge-papadopoulos-indictment-exculpatory-trump
     
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