Lybia : migrants sold as slave

I don't always agree with everything you say, but I'm glad there are still some Europeans with a sack.

 

Lady, Gaddafi never attack other countries, so Libya was a peaceful country. Why have you started to discuss an oppression? Don't change the theme of the dialog. I am an mathematician and any illogic confuse me a lot.

 

Yeah, Ghadaffi actually warned us of the migrant wave he was keeping in check and threatened of what would happen to Europe if he was removed from power.

 

Well like I said the situation we are in is a very similar one to the one before WW2 and it remains to be seen whether Germany reacts the same as it did then or in a more creative way. So far it looks like the East is moving towards the direction of '39 and the West a more creative way. The reason of course being that the East did not look at and learn from WW2 whereas the West did. I guess you will be splitting from Germany and form a coalition with Hungary, Poland and Austria - if Austria cannot pull itself away. So sad seeing human beings like robots just mindlessly repeating the past without thought. I do understand though that Eastern Europeans including East Germans have had very little time with Democracy and so do not understand it very well. Maybe a big cage like Hungary has built to keep you all in and apart form everyone else. People could come to visit from time to time. - staying on the outside of course.

 

Whites in general - Germans in particular - are always compared to Hitler if they attempt but even the most basic attempt at controlling their borders and removing unwanted, illegal migrants.

Germany needs to ignore the leftist, corporatist hordes and control its borders by ANY means necessary.

 

I have to say the first time I have agreed with you. He said the situation as it was. He could not believe Europe or the US would want to unleash what it did.

 

Before NATO got involved all embassies had been evacuated, all 7 oil companies had pulled their people out and Libyan refugees were pouring into Italy.

 

What do you have in mind and where do you live? I have suggested East Germany follow Hungary and get a great big em.... fences built around. The could put a big one round them all.

 

No... The Middle East was trash from when the Muslim armies formed and invaded the Holy Land and everything around it from the Arabian Peninsula in the 600s and turned the kafir into Dhimmis.

The actual aggressors in the West/Islamic conflict are Muslims and have always been; they first invaded the Holy Land, then went as far north as France and Vienna before being pushed back.

Terrorism does not exist because of anything we did. Terrorism is a natural event when Muslims move into your lands and don't get their way. Terrorism is in the Quran; it's a part of Jihad. The Quran teaches the spread of Islam by the sword.





WE created nothing of a mess in the Middle East. Muslims spent 1,000 years attacking Europe until their power finally waned with the fall of the Ottoman Empire in 1918. Only then did we Westerners get the upper hand, after many centuries of trying to beat back the invading Islamic hordes.

Had the Muslims not started invading everybody from Morocco to Austria to India, we wouldn't have this problem.

 

The Arabs had traded from Morocco to India long before Islam.

 

I'm in the United States.

Germany needs to apply whatever force necessary to send these people home. What force is required is directly dependent upon the amount of resistance.

Europe needs to bring back the old militargrenze. As it was when my maternal ancestors settled there from southern Germany in the 1700s, it was meant as a European buffer to stop repeated invasions from the Turkish Muslims. That military border should not have been dismantled, but moved to the south to the Turkish border. With a nice fat wall.

And we need a military presence in the Mediterranean Sea to discourage the ongoing NGO human smuggling racket.

 

Oh spare us, someone how has been following the anti Islam extremists. I am sorry to tell you but if you were conscious you would be aware that over the past 15 years or so failed states have been created in the ME by Western Intervention. Timothy Snyder noticed that it was the failed States in WW2 that allowed people to act in inhumane ways which they otherwise would never do. I am not sure what our excuse is. Breivic your hero? I recognise what you say from when he carried out his terrorism. I had thought you might have more to offer. These kind of silly arguments made up by the anti islam extremists have been debunked years ago. It is a bit sad you have to resort to fairy tales. You will fool some of the people for some of the time but not all of them for all of the time and as your ideas are so dated I think your ideas are past their sell by.

 

Boring. You have no more right to tell Germany what to do that anyone else. You do have a right to tell East Germany what to do and they are the people who seem more open to your ideas. As I have said if you want, go build a big cage around yourselves and Hungary and Poland and Austria. We will come and take photos of you and give you treats from time to time. It is a decision for Eastern Germany. You are having little success in the West. Hence clearly your views come from Soviet views and an unexamined mind. People who repeat past failings are the saddest the world knows.

 

Im actually amused. We know democracy very well. What we know even better is when someone wants to sell us **** as vanilla cream.

We see the massive rise in crime. We see that for years there was no money for german children and no Merkel pulls 40 billions out of her ass.

And i can asure you we wont split away. We break this pathetic system in entire Germany. In Bavaria is pure panic. The AfD cut the CSU by half. The CSU now copies AfD to win back voters.

We are the democratic people. There was an leftist dictatorship in Germany. An dictatorship that we broke apart. We had all parties agreeing with Merkel. And this ended now.

I dont work 40h a day to pay foreigners life. There is peace in Syria now. We will transport all those cowards back to the dirty place they came from.

 

You show that you dont know much about german politics. In Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg the AfD won too. Will you add those two massive southern german states to eastern Germany? What about Schleswig-Holstein which decided last week to not allow any more migrants in? Also Eastern Germany? Thats now 75% of german area.

 

I have news for you, the West did level oil rich Raqqa, and killed loads of civilians to punish the Syrian people for defeating ISIS. The West is also helping ISIS escape. When ISIS was leaving with heavy arms, Russia asked the US for help in stopping them, and Washington refused. So yesterday Russia sent in bombers from Iran and sent them all to hell.

The migrants are not Syrians They were given fake Syrian passports in Turkey. Most Syrians are educated and bright and most speak English.... you're being deceived by the anti Syrian propaganda in the MSM.

Germany doesn't want workers who are educated. The German businessmen wanted the uneducated migrants for menial work. ..this is why Merkel opened the doors. This contrasts with Moscow that processes five thousand temporary workers a day from the Caucasus and Central Asian States... and then they go back home. Because of this, Russia would only accept highly educated Syrians that they could place in parts of the country where they are needed since it doesn't run on a welfare system.

Out of the almost two million refugees from Ukraine, there is not one single refugee camp in Russia. They have all been given positions.

You know of course that Soros/Washington is setting up a war between Russia and Europe, and Eastern Europe will be the sacrificial lamb? The border lands will turn into a no man's land, unless you people wake up to reality. 1/3 of the EU government is on Soros' payroll.

 

Literacy in Syria has suffered during 6 years of civil war...

One big reason that Syria's future looks bleak: Education has been a ...
www.latimes.com/.../la-fg-global-syrian-childrens-education-20170309-story.html
Mar 13, 2017 - Education has emerged as an unwitting victim as Syria marks six ... the value of education we are now seeing severely low levels of literacy ...

 

Sobo, is there a possibility that Germany might split up? I'm thinking of Bavaria.

 

Of course the education level has fallen, but only in the areas that were occupied by ISIS or Al Nusra. I'm sure it hasn't fallen in Damascus or Latakia... and probably in parts of Aleppo that were protected by the Syrian army. I know in Greece, the Syrian orphans are automatically Greek citizens, and as for the other Syrian children, they're registered in the school system. It's a burden on an economy that's already burdened, but they figure that if they don't return to Syria, then at least they'll be culturally assimilated.

 

The oil maps at the link are interesting.

Where the oil is extracted
Isis’s main oil producing region is in Syria’s eastern Deir Ezzor province, where production was somewhere between 34,000 to 40,000 barrels a day in October, according to locals. This has since fallen due to coalition and Russian airstrikes against oil facilities. Isis also controls the Qayyara field near Mosul in northern Iraq that produces about 8,000 barrels a day of heavier oil that is mostly used locally to make asphalt.

https://ig.ft.com/sites/2015/isis-oil/

 

The west should have let Ghadafi slaughter is own people, you're right. The experience of middle east is simple :
Maybe they're is dictators who slaughter large part of their population, but even if the situation is deeply dramatic, no other countries should intervene and they should just let the dictator do his dictator job.
Political turmoil started before Nato intervened, it wasn't peacefull anymore when the US started.

Furthermore, they're a lot of people who ended in deep political turmoil, but few have ended selling people as slave.

 

Yes and I remember the propanda the french media did when they were the war in Lybia. They showed people non stop saying "Gadafi slaughter us, if you don't intervene, you would be passive partner in a crime of a genocide", but those countries are cursed. They're is a slighty hope for Tunisia however, I complain to have to live next those stupid madmen.

 

Ghadaffi wasn't slaughtering the people, he was protecting them from the terrorists that we were supporting like in Syria. You're believing the MSM garbage. Washington and its CIA and Soros supported NGO's are the ones who start the problems, and then they support the terrorists to finish up the job. Nato destroyed Libya for two reasons, one because Ghadaffi had deals with Russia, and two because it wanted to get off the American dollar and put Africa on a gold standard.

Putin would never have allowed Nato to bomb Libya, but Medvedev was president then and he leaned towards the West. This is why he lost the next election to Putin.

 

How many people are killed by Ghadafi? And How many people are killed by the USA? You had killed million people on the Middle East! Are you OK when you write about Ghadafi slaughter? Libyans were most rich people in Africa. They were richer than Americans! But you'd came and destroyed Libia. Do you understand you did?

 

Those people were being paid, maybe by the media. They were doing the same thing in Kosovo. CNN was paying the Albanians $5 every time they would be shown on cameras exiting Kosovo, and that was being played on TV from morning until night. I read that Ghadaffi had a fantastic social system, and even gave people money to go to foreign hospitals if the treatments didn't exist in Libya. It was the wealthiest nation in Africa, and he wanted to help Africa free itself... so we killed him when we promised Russia that we wouldn't.