Lybia : migrants sold as slave

Gaddafi certainly was slaughtering Libyans... Libya is more tribal than anywhere else in the ME and North Africa.. and the tribes hated Gaddafi.. His military and police were ALL African mercenaries because Gaddafi also feared the tribes.

That stuff about the gold standard is malarkey. Libya has had the gold dinar forever and a central bank since the early 1950s.

 

All the Libyan social programs were put in place by King Idris NOT Gaddafi. What Gaddafi did was throw out the Libyan Constitution, nationalized Libya's oil business prematurely nearly killing it and get rid of Wheelus and Tobruk. Libya took a giant step backwards and became increasingly isolated.

 

Yes, I took a 9mm and I came alone to the middle east and killed myself one million people and destroyed Lybia all by myself.

Beware of what you write, I don't tolerate to be insulted of being a murderer, next time I will put you straight on the ignore list.

My position is clear : No matter what happens in middle east country, we shouldn't intervene. If a local dictator kill half his population, it's not our problem.

War in Lybia is why I don't trust anymore the medias. I don't appreciate Ghadafi, and maybe he was an *******, but it wasn't our ******* and he wans't our problem. Industrial like Dassault got some benefits in this war, I felt tricked.

 

Well, the west shouldn't have fought Gaddafi anyway. He was maybe a dictator, but at least people wasn't sold in slavery during his reign, and ISIS couldn't exist aswell in Lybia during this time.

 

Probably not... however, I think the outcome would have been the same because of the proliferation of militias particularly in Eastern Libya. Libyan refugees were flooding into Italy.

The most the west could cautiously hope for was the reinstatement of the Libyan Constitution, but that possibility has come and gone.

No question that its a rotten situation.. a rotten outcome.

 

This is for Sobo, so he could have an idea of what was really going on.

The Syrian people were receiving e-mails inviting them to Germany, and telling them they would be welcome there. Russia knew they weren't coming from Germany, so they tried to figure out who was sending the e-mails. What they found according to the time element, is that they were more than likely coming from California and Britain.

I know that Washington's plan was to break Syria into ethnic enclaves, that way it would weaken it and keep each one at the other's throats... sort of like the Balkans. Syria's neighbors loved the idea, since they all felt they could grab a chunk of Syria, this is why they were supporting the terrorists... especially Saudi Arabia who wanted the oil rich territories of Raqqa and Deir ezzor. Turkey wanted Aleppo, Israel wanted the Golan Heights, and Jordan wanted the lands bordering it for the Palestinians.

Somebody had to be giving the Syrians money, because they were paying up to $10,000 a person to cross the Aegean, and they did have money when they came into Greece. The Greeks figured that each day the trafikkers were making about 20 million dollars. ..which was probably shared with the Turkish coast guard.

I assume the money was from Saudi Arabia, and it's probably why they lost so much money in the past years, and why there was almost a coup by the royals who didn't want to lose their luxurious life style.

This war by the way, cost the Syrian army over 200 thousand men, and the worse is that some of the deaths were caused by the coalition in order to support ISIS. Now they're complaining that Hezbollah and Iran were invited by Assad into Syria. Well who were the ones who did it you idiots.

 

It was done by your president. Your presedent was elected by you. Therefore... Do you catch my idea?

Guy, if you'll add in an ignore list any person, that writes about American crimes, then you have to add in the ignore list the all Earth population. The person that ignores the all Earth population cannot be normal one. If an abnormal person will ignore me then I'll be just happy

 

Margot you amaze me. Everything you say has been proven to be a lie, so why would this time be any different? You've lost your credibility, so who are you supporting anyway, is it Soros and his globalists, or Saudi Arabia?

 

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Saudi Arabia pumps 10 million bpd.. at its height years ago Syria was pumping 350,000 bpd of heavy sour crude. KSA doesn't want anything in Syria. In case you failed to notice there is a world wide oil glut. Nobody is fighting over Syrian oil.. That is simply stupid.

Israel has had the Golan since 1967 and they aren't going anywhere.

Are you daft?

There is NO coup in Saudi Arabia..

What's the point of your misinformation? Or is it that you really don't know?

 

1) I'm not american.

2) I didn't elected any president who started a war.

3) The only war I support are defensive one.

 

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Idris put all those social programs in place in the 1950s.. As soon as Gaddafi had ousted Idris he hired Abdullah Tariki from Saudi Arabia who was NOTORIOUSLY anti-American as his oil minister. Tariki nationalized Libyan oil concessions and production went to zilch.

I lived in Libya on the same street as the US embassy, the Russian embassy and the Palace.

Have you ever set foot in Libya, Jeannette?

Do you even know what I was talking about when I said Gaddafi got rid of Wheelus and Tobruk?

 

It's strange... You say like the American.

I can't check it because I don't know you are from.

Do you know, that all wars that US wages are defensive ones? America defences it's interests

 

Anyway, those countries are cursed. When the choice is between a man like Gaddafi or reintroduction of slavery, it's just barbaric or barbaric. They're is nothing to do about it. We can't trust politician. Democracy is a system where leaders are selected among their ability to be elected. It select manipulative, sociopathic, vain people. It's the lesser evil, but it's still better to be aware of what kind of people govern us and it's not disciple of ML King.

 

I'm french. I didn't vote for Sarkozy who participated to war in Lybia.

And what ? Countries are either governed by brutal sadistic brutes or manipulative sociopath. Leaders around the world are all the same kind of people and they're not the best of humanity. That's the same all around the world. Can I blame the USA to be led by bad people when it's the same all around the world ?

If I had the choice, I would make my country to behave like Switzerland. We don't participate in any war either if we're agressed or our friends are on their own territory. Genocide happens in the world ? Crimes against humanity ? Not our problem. That's the swiss position. Again, it's a lesser evil.

 

I think that Libya would have succeeded as a constitutional monarchy if Gaddafi hadn't seized power and tossed out the Constitution.

Gaddafi had no education at all and he was horribly insecure..

Not a good combination for any leadership role.

 

All countries of the region but Tunisia struggle to develop. Egypt is extremly poor and undevelopped, Morroco is extremly poor too, Algeria got a civil war with the djihadist and it's not even sure that Tunisia would succeed. We can hope for them because they become a beacon of hope for a lot of countries who are roughly in the same situation, but they didn't won yet.

 

I think Germany will be a much different country in 20 or 30 years because of so many muslims moving there

 

Libya was positioned to succeed. It has a tiny population .. less than 6 million. It had just enough Western influence at Wheelus and Tobruk. .. a thriving oil sector... strong social programs... and an enlightened Constitution...

And then along came Gaddafi.

 

Gaddafi may have been an *******, but he is not responsible for people being sold as slave today. They're many countries who got dictators but when the dictator fell they succeed to have a more or less democratic people.

Here is the good and the bad news : People are responsible of their own destiny and it work as an individual as a general level.

 

Libya is a mess.. Too many militias competing for power......

 

I know.

 

I don't believe you. French never speak English. Even if they know English well

Now I've believed you are a real French. Because you (like any French) have nothing to do with! When Hitler attacked Russia then French attacked Russia with Hitler. 23.136 French was captured by Soviet Army during the Second World War. But when Russians had destroyed Hitler, you said: "we have nothing to do with!". And Stalin... forgave you... It seems you didn't get used to the responsibility. Your president firstly took money from Gaddafi then killed him.

Wow! Do you want to rob Jews like it Switzerland banks did after the Second World War??? Wow...

 

Yes, Sarkozy is well know for being a thief and a crook.

Furthermore, I don't see the link between some indoctrinated *******s engaging in the SS charlemagne and me or the topic ? I didn't planned to engaged me in the SS to kill russian people.

 

lol@Germoney. Nice.

 

Thats what we say here....refugees my ass. They want free money and nothing else.