Russia says ISIS defeated in Syria.....Really?

He fooled Obama. So you wanted Obama to make war against him!!!

 

Why is that the Turks business?

 

Trying not to write 10 paragraphs of justification, but Syria is a country in which there is a civil war going on. I'm afraid I cannot agree that that civil war is any of our business. It is worthwhile to remember that Syria is no threat to anybody outside of its own borders. It did not attack the U.S., and it has never been our ally. It is also worthwhile to realize that a great many of the anti-Assad rebels have fought along side Al Qaeda. I fully understand that Assad is a bad guy, but if his regime survives, it will be aligned with Russia and friendly with Iran, just like it was before the civil war. In other words, nothing changes.

And if his regime were to fall, I believe there would be chaos of the horrendously bloody kind. You've got Sunni rebels, Al Qaeda, ISIS remnants, Hezbollah, Alawites, Kurds ... all at each other's throats. It's hard to believe the country could get any worse, but that would just be a holocaust.

I am not a dove. Far from it. I believe in taking it to America's enemies. I have fully supported all of our efforts to destroy ISIS in Iraq and Syria, and I am pleased that we have been successful. As we speak, we have other forces in the world who are also taking it to the enemies of America, and I support those efforts 100%. But the distinction with regard to Assad and Syria is this ... We all agree about the nature of the Assad regime. We don't like him. We also don't like his friends, the Russians and the Iranians. But Assad has not attacked us, and he is no threat to America or any of our close allies in the region. Zero, zip, nada. And as much as we may hate to admit it - because we really think he is a very bad dictator with friends we don't like - he is fighting radical Sunni terrorists, namely Al Qaeda and ISIS, just like we are.

This country is in ruins, and it needs peace, not endless war.

Finally, as a "war parent", I am acutely aware of the sacrifices of our young people in our armed forces. It is bad enough when we lose them fighting our real enemies. I am not interested in losing them over a civil war in Syria.

I have a lot of sympathy for the Kurds. Anyone who has followed these wars, going back to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, knows that they have been friendly towards the U.S. But there really is no real future for them if that future is just never ending war. What the Kurds in Syria (and in Iraq for that matter) need is some sort of accommodation that allows them to live in peace. When you speak of building a proxy using the Kurds, you are suggesting that we damn them to continued war and all the death and misery that comes with it. They are people, not chess pieces in a geopolitical game of tug-of-war between the great powers. They deserve better than that.

And why should we? Syria has not attacked the U.S. It poses zero threat to us. What Syria needs is peace, and it needs political change. I suspect even the Russians know that. Never ending war in Syria is not in their national interest. I think our role should be to apply pressure towards political change that maintains peace and stability and which gives some slim hope for a better life for the Syrian people in the future. But there is just no future for the Syrians to look forward to if this civil war just rages on endlessly. It's time for it to come to an end. Syria needs peace.

 

ISIS is reduced to controlling small pockets of resistance on the west bank of the Euphrates River because of Moscow's anti-terrorist operations in Syrian airspace, which have been effective in eliminating ISIS strongholds. President Trump also stopped arming anti-Assad forces and Islamists in Syria can no longer expect meaningful American support, claiming to be moderate Islamists who pose no threat to the West. President Trump was right to define all Islamists as terrorists who don't deserve to receive Washington's help.

 

Since the beginning of Operation Inherent Resolve, the U.S. operation against ISIS in Iraq and Syria the U.S. has, as of August 9, 2017, conducted 11,235 air strikes in Syria.

Something tells me that the defeat of ISIS in Syria was not done by Russian air power all by themselves.

 

Ok you mention one country Syria.... are you even aware of Hezbollah's activities in South America, Hezbollah is on America's doorstep, I have no interest in going into detail as it is rather involved (and can be easily researched if one is interested) My point however is that Syria is a tiny drop in the bucket. Hezbollah is infiltrating and destabilising one country after another via South American drug cartels, who have links to American gangs, America is far more vulnerable than you obviously realise. Hezbollah is a threat to America through this backdoor.

If America leaves Syria and Iraq, they lose any advantage to be gained in this much bigger proxy war that is already going on and most Americans like yourself are still unaware of.

ps. as you have mentioned you are a war parent, the conflict I refer to is much more covert, which would involve money and training from American Special Forces

ps. About the Kurds, if America leaves Syria and Iraq, Turkey will destroy them. They are in a very bad situation, yes it's completely calculating to suggest America takes advantage of them and use them against Iran. Do however keep in mind that Iran and Hezbollah have NEVER hesitated in doing exactly that in other countries

 

You are a lovely woman. So that said, why won't Australia jump right in?

 

What do you mean "jump in" I believe our Special Forces are already involved

 

Have not read a report on that, but I know he had christian support. Which is never mentioned much, for it looks favorable to assad, the evil, hitler-esque most brutal dictator. If Christians in Syria, the middle east support you, that should mean something tremendous. But MSM and our gov't has insured that we have not even thought about the truth to be found in such a fact.

 

USSR "won"in astan, but couldn't keep the victory,lol, sure, the Germans beat the Soviets but those pesky Americans jumped in in WW2, US won in Nam, but damn politicians lost it for us......when Gorbachev came to office in84-85ish, the war in astan was over for the Soviets, Gorbachev basically had to PR manage what was to be the ultimate defeat and collapse of USSR)).

 

Do we have special forces also in? Thanks for updating me on Australia. Did you verify what you told me?

 

What are you talking about Robert... what exactly do you want to know?

 

1. Does the USA have special forces in the areas you mentioned?
2. Did you verify that Australia has them in the areas you mentioned?

 

I think the U.S. should use its influence with both Turkey, Iraq, and the Kurds to find peace. The Kurds must give up attacks within Turkey's borders, and the Turks must leave the Kurds of Syria and Iraq alone. We would need to tell Turkey that "destroying them" was not an option.

As for Hezbollah, it is worthwhile to remember that the entire country of Syria is not Hezbollah. I do not believe it our place to keep the entire country in a state of war with itself because of Hezbollah. The country needs to end its civil war.

Do not underestimate the abilities of our government to deal with Hezbollah and drug trafficking in this hemisphere. Our capabilities are far more than what most people realize, and it's just a matter of directing those capabilities in that direction. For example, it wouldn't be a bad idea to simply tell Hezbollah to get out of the western hemisphere and get out of the drug business. Simultaneously, I would remind them that Hezbollah's leaders in Syria and Lebanon cannot hide from us, and we will take them all out one by one if they don't comply. I would remind them that if they do not comply, we will know it. Yes, we can do this, they know we can do it, and no one can stop us. We can also direct DEA resources and whatever else it takes directly to South America.

We can do this.

We don't need to have continued war in Syria to deal with this.

 

Obama didn't make war on Gaddafi. The tribes had hated Gaddafi for 4 decades.. The situation just boiled over.

Gaddafi was a bad actor.. He would pretend to clean up his act and then he'd go off the rails again. Cheney wanted the sanctions lifted. They convinced themselves that Gaddafi had reformed.

 

Obama made war on Gaddafi. Don't try to say he did not.

 

Trump has increased US troops in Syria by 40% and they back the Kurdish Syrian Democratic Forces.

 

No he didn't.. After the war broke out.. and the embassies had been evacuated, 7 oil companies pulled out and Libyan refugees were pouring into Italy then NATO got involved.

If you knew anything about Libya, you'd know that the US would have been thrilled if there had NEVER been any Arab Spring.

 

From USA Today:

Sunnis fill rebel ranks, but also prop up Assad regime

 

How the hell would I know ...I'm just a voice on the internet Robert I have no crystal ball nor am I "in the know"

I assume they do

I did not verify, it is widely known Australian special forces are at the beck and call of America

 

Obama sent American war planes to bomb Libya. My gosh, i wish you stopped worshiping Obama. Everybody knows what he did to Libya.

 

We are basically talking past one another, you're making all sorts of assumptions ... where did I say Hezbollah is the entire Syria...where did I say I want the war in Syria to continue... what part of covert do you not understand. I think you overestimate your country's abilities to deal with Hezbollah and drug trafficking since Hezbollah have grown exponentially in South America, if they were being dealt with this would not be the case. Also I find most Americans struggle to consider the long term strategy and effect of Hezbollah's efforts.... long term meaning 50 to 100 years, not 10 to 20.

All of these assumptions you make, tells me that you do not fully grasp exactly what I'm talking about. America can no longer afford to take the high moral ground, who knows maybe it will sink in, in about ten years when the issue becomes more critical...

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/08/us/americans-accused-hezbollah-agents/index.html

 

And you don't know anything about Libya.. or Gaddafi.. or NATO evidently.

 

Yes, but you were saying we should stay in Syria. I don't want that mess. I don't want any of our kids dying for that country. Wipe out ISIS, fine. When the job is done, and it's almost done, get out. The Russians can have that pretty mess.

As I explained, Hezbollah can be told to get out of the western hemisphere, or we'll kill them. Bottom line right there. We are very good at that, and there is nothing they can do about it.

 

Hezbollah isn't really interested in the western hemisphere, so I doubt it will be much of a problem.