Is it atheist to hate god?

Strike 3!!!

 

Some take the Bible literally and even insist on their own translation or say the KJV the Mormons use. Many understand the difficulties in translating even directly from the original Greek in the case of the NT. Older copies are found, clerks added their own thoughts, rarely errors were made in copy. etc. One must understand life in those times esp thru the eyes of Jew as well as understand the Romans and Greek culture. Paul writes thru the mind of a Jewish Pharisee and the legalism that goes with it. John writes differently than Matthew, Mark and Luke who also have their differences. The Holy Spirit guides us to the true nature of the Devine. As the man grows so does the message from God even for those who doubt. I can not answer for those who reject him.

Mant see the Bible as sometimes literal and also 'not literal'.

The Bible's purpose is to reconcile man to God which is done one human at a time. As that person grows secularly and with God so does it mature. If all you wish is to reject it and Him you will find a way as your heart grows hard. Which is sadder? The one looking to reject him or the one looking for a relationship but whose doubts prevent it?

 

Ironic that those whose minds have gone soft from a failure to use their critical thinking skills accuse others of having hearts that have "grown hard".

 

Nah, home run!

 

That much is true, but I do agree with the OP that some atheists have a bad habit of not declaring when they do that.

 

The Bible is not evidence for anything. It is folklore.

 

Maat
It is interesting to me how the scales fall from our eyes on these issues once we finally reach the ah ha moment of realization about religion.

Most recently. I started to reflect on Christianity and ancient Judaism as a blood cults.... not so very different than the Aztecs who dragged people to the top of a pyramid and cut out their hearts. All these religions share the fundamental idea that god’s somehow demand blood sacrifice... be it lambs sacrificed at the Jewish temple, or Jesus as the ultimate sacrificial lamb, or the sacrifices on Aztec pyrimid.

This idea of blood sacrafice is fairly common among primitive religions. once we see and accept that truth, we must inevitably acknowledge that the Abrahamic religions are fundamentally based on primitive ideas that have been dressed up with the emperor’s new clothes.

From the outside it simply seems crazy that normal and intelligent people go around pretentiously ooohing and ahhhhing about how jesus was tortured and killed for their “sins”,,,, or about how god made a covenant with them and gave them certain land.

 

As I have maintained all along by saying I am and atheist and I lack belief; I am not the spokesperson for atheism so all I can bring to this is what position I hold. I have been consistent with this.

Like it says in my avatar, if you don't try to tell me what position I hold we will get along fine. It is remarkable how many theists and fundamentalist agnostics will try to tell me what my position is or try to tell me why I don't hold that position and YET, if I said, 'I lack belief in purple Plodgelbiffers' they wouldn't special plead for them. My atheism is an extension of my skepticism about ALL things asserted without evidence, I simply do not see gods as any kind of special case.

 

So it is fine for you to demonize others using your theist beliefs but when it is turned around and you see yourself in the mirror of hypocrisy you accuse others of your own failings?

Did you honestly believe that regurgitating theist pablum was adding anything to the debate about whether it is possible to "hate" an imaginary deity?

 

An especially well put slam dunk !

 

Ya, I also pointed out THAT "gorilla in the room" but , ya know, believers are "believers" and any fantasy is fine and logic is a only slight breeze...

 

Several posters have pointed that out and maybe the OP will gird his loins and explain how THAT works!!

 

The OP was a question. I clarified the purpose of the question on pg 4 with:

"Im not confused about anything. Im making a passive-aggressive accusation that a good many 'atheists' are actually closet theists that believe in God but hate Him because He represents an antithesis to their ideology of State worship.

By 'good many' I mean a very small but loud minority that I believe seek to 'proselytize' a political agenda of collectivism and authoritarianism by denegrating the individualism inherent in human Free Will- Gods greatest creation and gift.

Im attempting to counter their dishonest claims with the notion that instead of trying to free mankind from some tyranny of the mind of loyalty to a creator, they are in fact trying to enslave the human mind to control by The State, which is controlled by man.

Or, in short, a few of your 'atheist' brethren are merely interested in having us worship men as 'God' instead."

One person replied.

 

So you're saying that some atheists lie like every other person on earth to gain a political agenda...(shrug)

Personally I think atheists are the ones who believe in free will and use it more than those who believe in gods and silly rules made up by religious authorities......

 

Try again with comprehension.

 

You are a fool full of fallacy and that is all. No ethics, morality or need to tell the truth.

I have nothing to defend, but by your own post it is obvious that you do.

 

Once again giving lie to your claims of not being religious or even Christian. Remember this "Jesus" you agree with is only a god in the Christian religion, and not all sects of that.

 

...I'm getting the feeling this has nothing to do with what I said.

I only argue that atheists who say "God killed lots of people" don't really mean "God killed lots of people" but that they really meant "God supposedly killed lots of people, and such a God would be evil, which is at odds with the idea of Gods benevolence, which in turn pokes a hole in the religious logic altogether, or at least many other arguments".

 

How can God killing people be evil? If so then humans are far worse.

 

Actually it is more like a lot of people are killed in the name of god, yet nothing seems to get resolved.

 

According to your stated beliefs, mankind are gods children and reflections of him. So if humans kill people it is a direct reflection of the will of this god.

Another proof that god does not exist.

 

Well, the criteria for evil I'm sure are many and complicated, but I'm sure you can see the point in people saying flooding the entire world in order to wipe out most of humanity is evil.

As for humans, yeah, also some humans are evil. Most are not quite as evil as all that though. And either way, humans being evil isn't really a counter argument (some would argue that God's setup of the world made us evil, to any extent that we are).

 

Well, the game atheists like to play is holding God to the human moral standard. This is not correct. If God is superior to humans, since He created humans He is, then God is a different species. Even a dominant species. Humans are dominant on earth and slaughter other species by the tons on a daily basis. So if the atheist moral standard is right then humans are far worse.

 

I mean, I just picked one example criticism. The argument you presented seems a little less waterproof. If it's people killing in the name of God, then there is scope for arguing that it's the humans' faults rather than God's. Unless you consider people killing in the name of God all part of God's plan, and in that case, it's basically just a special case of the argument that I presented.

 

But you have to hold humans to the same standard. God would be a different species than humans, a superior one. So if we compare that humans kill tons of other species on a daily basis, humans are much worse.