Is it atheist to hate god?

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  1. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then I don't believe you will go to Hell.

    It would be prudent to demand scientific correctness in the Bible after you fully understand scientific reality. The Bible is written and finished. Once we have fully measured and tested all that exists in the universe, we can compare the two for accuracy. Not before.
     
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    How do you know what I believe?
     
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    He-man was an actual person in King Solomon's days.....

    1 Kings 4:29-31

    29Now God gave Solomon wisdom and very great discernment and breadth of mind, like the sand that is on the seashore.

    30Solomon’s wisdom surpassed the wisdom of all the sons of the east and all the wisdom of Egypt.

    31For he was wiser than all men, than Ethan the Ezrahite, Heman, Calcol and Darda, the sons of Mahol; and his fame was known in all the surrounding nations.

    Heman !!!!
     
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    FreedomSeeker Well-Known Member

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    Well you have as much evidence for that as Christians do for the divinity of their "Jesus", so I can't argue with you on that.
     
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    According to the BIBLE I WILL HOWEVER!

    John 14:6: Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"

    Acts 4:12, 2 Thessalonians 1:1-10, John 3:18, John 10:27-28, Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8, John 5:2, John 3:36, John 6:47, Acts 16:31, Romans 10:9, Revelation 19:20, 20:10,14-15, 21:8, John 15:6: Jesus said “Unless a person remains united with me, he is thrown away like a branch and dries up. Such branches are gathered and thrown into the fire, where they are burned up."

    Matthew 13:41-42, 49-50 - The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Mark 9:43, 48-49 - And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’ For everyone will be salted with fire.

    Matthew 22:13 - Bind him hand and foot and cast him into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Matthew 8:12 - while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Matthew 25:46 - And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
     
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    FreedomSeeker Well-Known Member

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    God of the Bible is indeed a barbarian, so not sure I'd really actually want to be up in his bigoted Hindu-free and Muslim-free and Buddhist-free kingdom of hate.
     
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    Heman was real, Cringer was not.......

    1 Kings 4:29-31

    31For he was wiser than all men, than Ethan the Ezrahite, Heman, Calcol and Darda, the sons of Mahol; and his fame was known in all the surrounding nations.

    Heman !!!!
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    (YLT) 1 Peter 3:
    18 "because also Christ once for sin did suffer -- righteous for unrighteous -- that he might lead us to God, having been put to death indeed, in the flesh, and having been made alive in the spirit,

    19 in which also to the spirits in prison having gone he did preach,

    20 who sometime disbelieved, when once the long-suffering of God did wait, in days of Noah -- an ark being preparing -- in which few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water..."

    I dont believe you must 'choose' before you 'die.' It sounds to me like Jesus will reveal reality to you, 'preach to you in prison (death)' before you decide your fate.
     
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    Can't hate that which one believes does not exist. Any perceived hate would be aimed at religion as an institution and/or it's practitioners that act in a perceived offensive way.
     
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    Strange assertion, but I'm sure there are many humans, theist and atheist, wishing to turn governments into gods. I myself am very conservative concerning government. If up to me, there would be no federal welfare programs, SS or Medicare programs. IMO, religions and governments are tools for control. Government is necessary, but not at the ridiculous levels that exist. While some religions are diabolical, at least they are voluntary. The OT is a worst case example of creating religion as a government.
     
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    Can you read your own posts? Abundantly obvious from your statements what fantasy you choose to believe.
     
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    Oh, so you can read minds? Who knew.
     
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    I'm not a theist and I've attacked no one. I've judged certain people's behavior but in a civil way. If you wish to criticize a religion then you should know it well. It's my opinion from reading many posts that they don't understand Christianity.

    And much of it is illogical. You can't deny the existence of God then rail against Him. If there is a God then criticize the religion based on its present form. If there isn't a God then why do you care if others do. Do you rail against their choice of fandom of the NBA or NFL? How about their choice of cars?

    I don't know what to believe. I have doubts. So I keep my religion to myself in so much as I don't criticize a person's choice. I can judge what they say or esp do about that choice.
     
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    Many atheists produce arguments meant to highlight a flaw in the idea that God is benevolent. It's not meant to say that they believe it is actually the case. It's not really much different than saying that Captain Ahab is a sea captain, when in fact he is a literary character.
     
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    Are you capable of looking up the definition of atheist?
    A true atheist can't hate something they know doesn't exist.
     
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    Many have been christian.
    Even christians don't understand christianity. It''s why there are 1000s of denominations. All with differing details/doctrine of what it is to be christian.
     
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    Yes a new covenant with God.
    Then in the next breath, they will say God never changes. Is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
    God clearly changed from OT to NT.
     
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    I understand it pretty well. There is plenty to debate but the core remains the same. I reject your generalized statement although I admit many are chafe and not wheat. Some churches are correct in the core but have corrupted parts. The body is too large to be perfect.
     
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    Yet most christians say God never changes.
    Is you god omniscient? If so, you always will do what is already known by god. You will even die at the exact moment god knows you will die. And your eternal resting place was known before you were born.
     
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    Not sure how you come to that conclusion.
    I render, Limbaugh or similar made some comment like that once or more.
     
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    I've never heard of an atheist who literally blames a god for their 'troubles'.

    It's possible you've confused the 'hatred' of old myths and belief in these myths, with hatred of the god in question.

    I'm going to assume you understand the absurdity of thinking that one can 'hate' something one doesn't believe exists :)
     
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    What generalized statement?
    I understand it pretty well also. Born, baptized, and lived christian for many decades.
     
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    An atheist cant hate god.
     
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    Given the abundance of non theists on this forum, no doubt you will have lots of responses from atheists who champion this view.... or not.

    My own view is that.you appear to have misunderstood. Atheists do not think god exists so it would make no sense to blame a nonexistent being for anything

    If god were to exist, and he were the creator of everything, and if he could do anything he wanted, and if he answered prayers, and if he sent calamities to punish disobedient people.... then in that hypothetical circumstance it would be logical to look around at what this interventionist god has done and not done... and assess his impact on our lives.

    Alternatively, we could look at the unfortunate things around us and exonerate god because he has no impact on the world. But then you would have a god who chooses to to do nothing despite being able to do anything
    Not as far as I am aware. Atheism is not anti theism. It is non-theist. There is No god vs anti god

    I think many atheists are against (ANTI) unwarranted incorporation of what they view as theistic fantasies into society at large
     
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    You constantly claim to know what others are thinking yet are upset when others do it to you. Figures.
     
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