Germans say Russia is more reliable than the United States

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    Me??? I’m not a Trump supporter, or a MAGA hat wearing deplorable. I think you may have mistaken the sarcasm in my post. Lost in translation maybe, no worries though.
     
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    She was wasn’t she!!
     
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    You think Ronnie had something to do with that. The Soviet Union was long on its way out. Ronnie’s speech then was about as necessary as an atomic bomb on civilian targets in Japan at the time.
     
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    That's certainly not what was thought at the time.

    Seems you don't know much about this period or the effect this speech had. Perhaps your 20/20 hindsight is telling the USSR was on its way out, which is called Revisionist History. The same applies to your guesswork re Japan and WWII
     
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    Germany gets energy from Moskva, they don't have anything in common with moskalis vis. Most germans are genetically adverse towards slavs( if one considers most Russians slavs that is). Russians are "moujik"( peasant). They think pretty much same about ukranians, and poles to a lesser extent. I thought youd know that veezko?
     
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    Germans have always preferred authoritarian regimes over democracies. It's in their DNA.
     
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    Authoritarian dictatorships are easier to manage than chaotic democracies.
     
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    That doesn't matter. They will still not like Americans.
     
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    It will get worse since they are open door to Muslims. Muslims don't trust America so as they become more Islamic their polls will shift accordingly. Plus they have a lot of liberals so they won't be fond of any right wing administration running the US.
     
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    When some one is unreasonable, they must be treated as such.
    When someone is determined to hate you, no amount of love will persuade them.

    These people, must fear you.

    Bad people exist.
     
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    I wonder how the polls would go if you separated Trump from his policies? I would imagine many more would agree with his basic policy statements. I believe he has more than past presidents tried to fulfill his promises.
     
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    Think you're an expert on Trump supporters do you? Coming from CA no less.
     
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    I dare to disagree with you. Of course, Germans has a lot of common with Russia, especially starting from times of Peter the Great when a lot of scientists and engineers were invited in Russia- many famous German scientists were the members of Russian Academy of Sciences. More during Ekaterina the Great times, who was German in origin. Did not you know that there is even a notion- Russian German? So far US has much less common with Germany, than Russia.
     
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    The far right in Germany is to the left of our center. You have no clue about the U.S. Have you been here? I've been there.

    Trump is not primitive, stupid or uneducated. He lives a life most of us could only dream about. He graduated from an Ivy League University. I wish I were stupid enough to become a billionaire. Even Trumps supporters here don't like his behavior. They like his results. You should be embarrassed that you judge a political figure by how he speaks rather than for what he does. You must be primitive, stupid and uneducated.
     
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    Yes Cathy the great was German in origin....it's rather hard to find any Russian ruler the last 250+ years that had any "russian" origin. It was usually Germans, Lithuanians, Swedes, Norwegians, gruzin, a t op ken ukranian if you call it that.
    Catherine wasn't fond of Russians, or was it Lenin, one of them maybe.

    So, many engineers and scientists got invited, really doesn't change the of most Germans attitude, back then, til today.
     
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    In terms of investment opportunity, both Russia and America are to be avoided like the plague. Too corrupt. Too politically unreliable. Too anti foreigner.

    If Germans feel closer to Russians than they do Americans jolly good but I somewhat doubt Russians feel very close to Germans in return, even if they feel closer to Germans than they do to Americans.
    Germany on the other hand is very easy to trust because it's so massively outgunned. They are so well behaved for a reason.
     
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    Whoever you are, thanks for posting here. These folks need to hear the truth, they sure as hell don't get it on Fox.
     
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    I sure know a lot of them, not very worldly folks. If you are cosmopolitan, sophisticated, well read, intelligent and well traveled AND you voted for Trump, you have some serious soul searching to do because you voted for a chump. Sorry, but Trump supporters have one gigantic common identity to me. Suckers, marks, racists and ingrates all rolled up into one orange pile of excrement.
     
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    Always enjoy posts from the Maxine Waters wing of the Democrat Party, though they're not as interesting as the Keith Ellison followers.

    These two seem to have taken up the slack since Hillary Clinton was sent to political purgatory.
     
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    Oh there were those even within the CIA that saw that coming, and Carter’s national security advisor nailed it.

    Zbigniew Brzezinski, National Security Advisor to U.S. President Jimmy Carter, predicted the dissolution of the Soviet Union on several occasions. In a 2006 interview, Brzezinski stated that in his 1950 master's thesis (which has not been published) he argued that "the Soviet Union was pretending to be a single state but in fact it was a multinational empirein the age of nationalism. So the Soviet Union would break up."[20]

    Brzezinski went on to claim that communism "failed to take into account the basic human craving for individual freedom." He argued there were five possibilities for USSR:

    1. Successful pluralization,
    2. Protracted crisis,
    3. Renewed stagnation,
    4. Coup (KGB, Military), and
    5. The explicit collapse of the Communist regime.
    Option #5 in fact took place three years later.

    As to Japan, General/president Eisenhower said it best.

    But the central point was probably best put in General Eisenhower's blunt formulation: ''It wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing.'' GAR ALPEROVITZ Washington, Oct. 4, 1988 The writer is author of ''Atomic Diplomacy: Hiroshima and Potsdam.''

    Truman was advised not to use the atomic bombs by such figures as Adm. William D. Leahy, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower. We know from Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson's diaries and other documents that the rush to use atomic bombs quickly, rather than follow other available courses, was intimately connected with the desire to end the conflict before the Soviet Union entered it on Aug. 15, 1945, and with the hope that the bomb would help in disputed European negotiations.

    Use of atomic weapons in Japan was meant for Soviet attention, but carry on with your meme.
     
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    Certainly there were those who predicted the USSR would eventually collapse, starting with George Kennan and the policy of 'containment'. But these people were far in the minority when Reagan made his speech encouraging Gorbachev to 'tear down that wall'. Gorbachev vainly hoped that Communist Lite would solve their problems, problems initiated by Ronald "Ray Gun" (as he was called by leftists of the day), but his budgets before the collapse were encouraging Communism around the world.
    Again there were those who were against bombing Japan but I could quote those who were for it, including Churchill.

    "British consent in principle to the use of the weapon had been given on July 4, before the test had taken place. The final decision now lay in the main with President Truman, who had the weapon; but I never doubted what it would be, nor have I ever doubted since that he was right. The historic fact remains, and must be judged in the after-time, that the decision whether or not to use the atomic bomb to compel the surrender of Japan was never even an issue. There was unanimous, automatic, unquestioned agreement around our table; nor did I ever hear the slightest suggestion that we should do otherwise".

    Eisenhower wasn't involved in the conversations at the time the bomb was used.

    As well,Japan had to be completely defeated otherwise there could be a repeat of what happened with the 1918 Armistice with Germany Notice that Japan, Germany and Italy have been completely peaceful since WWII ended and don't want to even think about weaponizing...
     
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    There may be far right people who reject Trump as well, but in comparison to the center and left parties, the Trump-rejection is significantly lower in the AFD. Simply due to the fact, that they are more sceptic about what the leftist mainstream media publish.

    As a result Gauland defended Trump's positions several times.


    As I cannot paste the video of Maximilian Krah at this defined second, you g2g to 12 minutes and 5 seconds ... there are a lot more Trump fans in the AFD than in any other parties. The very left anti-establishment members of the "Linkspartei" are less anti-Trump, as well, but its a monority within the party.
     
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    Churchill really was a very complex and convoluted fellow.

    Hated by the Conservative Party chiefs and many others for his betrayals and switching of loyalties to the Liberals. And he was very cognisant of the hidden power that made all important foreign policy decisions in Great Britain of that time, namely the Oxford Group.

    This means he knew that the UK was deeply mired in financing Hitler's military machine so that it would attack the Soviet Union, a policy that disastrously backfired, ultimately resulting in WWII. And he would have also known that the British were also deeply involved in financing the Bolshevik Revolution - and later took steps to destroy all hope of a White Russian victory in the battle for Moscow against the Reds via manipulations of the British Expeditionary Force to ensure that essential war supplies earmarked for Admiral Kolchak were diverted.

    So his hate for the Bolsheviks is curious at first blush.

    Except for the fact that it was British "Group" policy to always cause chaos in Europe using a divide and conquer strategy.
     
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    Churchill was the greatest leader of the 20th Century

    And he was not prime minister until after war the war with germany started

    So any mistakes in judgement up to that time were not his
     
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    I was pro Trump too. But as Gauland said hims3lf, Trump becomes more and more a burden for us.
     

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