Germans say Russia is more reliable than the United States

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  1. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Does that mean that most germans dont think Trump is Putins puppet? Shhhh, dont tell that to the american democrat party...
     
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    How do you judge loyality
     
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    I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. Sorry.
     
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    trump has a very unstable ego, he talks about fire a fury a lot and his big red button.. I would imagine the rest of the world is a bit nervous right now
     
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    I would not go that far, but the fact that it is so close a comparison is sad in and of itself
     
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    It was collapsing for a long time, Carter’s national security adviser was talking about this before Reagan was Even president.
     
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    Thatcher opposed the unification of Germany, but yes, the Pope was an instrument. That still doesn’t speak to the fact that the writing was seen on the wall by several during the 70’s even though the notion was rejected by the majority over the usefulness of the Cold War adversarial benefits to our MIC and its lobbyists.
     
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    Do you remember her saying this too?

    Michael Binyon. Two months before the fall of the Berlin Wall, Margaret Thatcher told President Gorbachev that neither Britain nor Western Europe wanted the reunification of Germany and made clear that she wanted the Soviet leader to do what he could to stop it.

    http://m.spiegel.de/international/e...nification-the-germans-are-back-a-648364.html
     
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    No I don't.....but it collapsed, and it was a good thing, Germany reunified which should've never been divided in the first place.
     
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    That’s besides the point that your Iron Lady opposed the Gipper on unification, lol
     
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    Didn't really matter if Maggie opposed it or not, in the end she tagged along with the gipper anyway, so yours is a moot point,lol.
     
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    Thats bullshit

    Liberal democratics thought the Red Menace would be with us forever

    There solution was alpeasement and paeceful coexistance
     
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    Sorry, she never tagged along. It happened despite her. So much for your Iron Lady lmao.
     
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    Seems you're lamenting?
    There was no "peaceful coexistence" with the soviets.
    Appeasement? Is that like feeding the tiger until you run out of food to toss at it and it eats you last?
    As I said it's a good thing it broke apart!
     
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    She's not "my" iron lady,lol.She was good for the UK. And the Brits usually tag along officially, or "unofficially".:).
     
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    But you presented her as an Iron Lady standing shoulder to shoulder with Reagan on unification when she didn’t.
     
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    O come on. Trump is his own worst enemy. Germans - or Europeans in General do not give much thought to the US clown show mainstream media. What they do see is the US trying to interfere in their sovereignty and not having integrity.

    This the "integrity" part was not so much of a problem when we were the sole economic Empire and thus could push our way around willy nilly.

    Things have changed. We are getting push-back from even our allies and while we are mired in stupidity and living in the "necessary illusion" that we are the economic/military superpower of old .. deals are getting done and we are missing out.

    Many say Trump is a laughingstock. The problem with this perspective is that people are not laughing anymore. It is more like "WTF" ??.

    This is not just about Trump though. Trump is not a one man show. There are many different forces pushing Trump and backing much of his foreign policy. It is not like Trump just wakes up in the morning to go to meet some world leader and has a clue what US foreign policy is. He is given direction. It is this direction (such as sanctions on Russia or Iran) and so on for which we are receiving pushback.
     
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    Yet he is fulfilling his campaign promises about issues he has talked about for over 30 years. Go figure.
     
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    Some yes ... others no. He was elected on being anti-establishment. Almost all of his policies are pro - Establishment. He has turned into an Establishment wonk .. as bad or possibly worse than Obama if that is possible.

    One way in which Trump is better than Obama is in getting rid of some of the regulatory nonsense that is keeping this country from being competitive. The problem is that he throws the baby out with the bath-water. There is such a thing as "moderation".

    What is with this ramping up the war on Pot ? I really do not understand this. This actions speaks volumes about Trumps lack of respect for individual liberty and his totalitarian control freak tendencies .. aside from the fact that it is a complete waste of time and money. Then at the same time he hires the guy that worked with the drug companies to create the opioid crisis as drug czar ?

    A case can be made for a slight "Trump bump" in the markets but no economist worth his salt claims that a President can have much of an effect on the markets in his first year in office. This is just absurd nonsense. What policy that Trump enacted cased the global metal prices to skyrocket in 2017 ? uuuuhhhhh oooohhhh weellll hmmmm. We can go through every other sector and do the same. His tax cut might do something (reviews are mixed) but that had zero to do with 2017.

    What he did do is massively increase spending for 2018. He better hope 2018 revenues increase or we will run a massive deficit - on par with his Red "fiscal conservative" predecessors such as Reagan and the Bush twins.

    He certainly is not sticking to his "anti-interventionist" promises. To the contrary he is ramping up the war hogs and fully supporting the military industrial complex swamp.

    Trump has done nothing to reverse the direction towards a quazi totalitarian police nanny state. The reverse is true. Trump is ramping up the tempo of this march. This is the reverse of draining the swamp. Getting rid of net nutrality is a license for censorship and stamping out freedom of speech and ignores anti competition law - this is swampland x 10.

    He has increased police powers while doing nothing of substance to restore individual liberty. He clearly hates the rule of law (or probably just does not understand) and has brought back asset forfeiture.

    Despite his drawbacks I am still happy I do not have to endure the torture of having to listen to Hillary for at least 4 years.

    That said I do not see how anyone who voted for Trump based on his "anti-establishment" rhetoric could not feel let down - folks that actually have some understanding of what the Establishment actually is.

    My thoughts are that I wish folks would start voting for "independents" in recognition that either Red or Blue is a vote for the Establishment status quo ... a vote for continued sodomization.
     
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    Thatcher is widely hated here in the UK, not for her iron lady attitude to the USSR, but because she helped usher in the age of neoliberalism that has been terribly debilitating to vast numbers of the UK population.

    Besides that, few people are actually aware that those who enabled her into office were intelligence veterans who were aligned to the ultra right.

    These were the same people who tried (but thankfully failed) to get the ex-nazi (and affiliate of the Vatican's far right group Opus Dei) Franz Joseph Strauss to become Chancellor in West Germany. They were known as the Pinay Cercle or just Le Cercle and their activities came to light when a former agent of Germany's intelligence agency, the BND, Herr Hans Langeman, leaked their confidential documents which became known as the Langeman Papers.

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Le_Cercle
     
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    Your example does indeed contain several errors. Mine, on the other hand does not.

    If you'd care to challenge me on the facts, specific facts I have stated, that is, beat a way to my door.

    Otherwise keep your hand in your throbbing shorts and enjoy yourself to hell and back.

    Just keep me out of it (shudder)...
     
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    If you’re a right winger, she was good for them. Just like if you’re a left winger in Canada Trudeau is good for you. But Thatcher, never went along. Even after it happened she was still bitching about it. So you misrepresented her in your original post that started this back and forth between us. But you’re no longer claiming it so we can let this die.
     
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    "Even after it happened she bitched about it" so she threw up the white flag;), and went along, of course.
    She went along with it, under protest, so nothing misrepresented.
    She was good for the UK, as I said earlier.
    As far as Trudeau, hes OK for GTA, Ontario, Montreal, LGBT queers, etc. For anyone else hrs just drama queen/snowboard instructor.
     
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    In this case, by sticking with the West, rather than periodically becoming nostalgic for the good old days of East Germany. The point is, Germany was wishy washy on this before Trump showed up.
     
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    You falsely represented her as an Iron Lady for standing with Reagan on German unification and I proved to you that that did not happen.
     

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