Is God competent or incompetent?

Is God competent or incompetent?

We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.

God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?

I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.

Do you agree?

Regards
DL

 

God could have created things that didn't fail easily enough so what this shows is that he gives things a chance to fail on their own.

Isn't that what you want from a God?

Someone that gives you a choice?

 

Depends on one's perspective of what god is.

If you think god is with you every day watching over you, then he is most definitely not omniscient or omnipotent and likely incompetent at times.

If you think god created the universe and the conditions for life throughout the universe, then he did a damn fine job and is marvellously competent

 

"God creates us as sinners"....but then there is that pesky little thing known as free will.

 

Did God create Hell?

 

He created the Christian religion, which is a clear fail as most who follow haven’t read it.

 

This is God's failures we are disusing. Not ours.

You do not have the choice to never sin do you?

No you don't. That is why none of us do so.


Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Regards
DL

 

If creating Satan and the other examples I put where he kill all he has created, --- is competent, then what would you call incompetent?

Regards
DL

 

Read the post above on free will please.

There is no such thing as far as sin is concerned.

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DL

 

That is what the myth says. Right?

Or did you cherry pick only the stuff you like?

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DL

 

I agree.

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DL

 

I do not know that is why I am asking. You made that assertion now back it up.

 

The bible makes the assertion. I just present it for revue.

Proving anything about God is impossible.
Have you not noticed that we have been trying for 5000 tears.

Regards
DL

 

But you claim the Bible says God created hell.....that is easy to prove yet you avoid doing so....interesting.

 

What is interesting is you needing proof of a well known dogma. It would almost seem like you need a make work project.

Regards
DL

 

Is there actually any reason to credit god with creating the " Christian" religion as opposed to any one of the other thousands of religions?

 

I am only asking you to back your claim. You would easily do that if it were true.....what happened?

 

So the assertions made by the OP are based on phony claims. That makes this thread completely worthless.

 

I decided not to do a worthless make work project.

Regards
DL

 

Like all supernaturally based religions, basically, yes, except to those who believe in that B.S.

Regards
DL

 

So you cannot back your claim.....ok then.

 

So unlike Christianity....ok then.

 

The greatest incompetence of the notional god is rooted in his extreme narcissism in demanding his "creations" worship him in order to get his "goodies".

 

Something that does not exist can not do anything.

 

I'm not too hot on berating religion on these grounds.

If there were a god, it would be beyond human understanding to gauge what that god's overall objective might be, or whether that god was making efficient progress toward that goal within the limits of some supernatural environment that we do not understand.

And, the hints claimed in the Bible, the Qur'an, etc., can't be considered sufficient to that end.

So, I don't agree, but only because if there actually were a god we couldn't make that judgement.