Up to 3.6 million Dreamers in line for citizenship under DACA replacement

US Business doesn't agree with you.

 

Rural America needs labor, not just in CA. Businesses know that.

Kids are moving away from the family digs in small town America.




You can choke off red state America if you want, but I doubt they are going to like it.

Maybe you'll get away with it for a while, as everybody is being trained to hate immigrants as a reflexive action.

But, there will be people who care about America.

 

I can somewhat understand the Chamber’s attitude

In the 80’s and 90’s race hustlers like jesse jackson got rich harrassing companies over alleged unfair treatment of black people

Which made hiring Americans a troublesome exercise

But illegal aliens have a reputation as docile hard workers

And no jesse Jackson or ACLU ambulance chasers to bother anyone

That does not explain all the inroads illegals have made in the workplace but its part of the reason

 

lol!!!

No, this isn't an issue of illegal immigration or of employment law.

It IS true that many industries are use illegal labor for the reason that undocumented immigrants are pretty much defenseless in the face of just about every abuse in employment history - making such labor seriously cheap.

btw: if we made it legal for those here long term to get jobs and pay their own way, the whole cheap underground labor economy would be gone, and everyone could compete for jobs on an equal footing again.

 

Those are all good ideas

But to half the country that represents a declarstion of WWIII

Libs wont like it

 

What must be done cannot be spoken.

In the mean time, people with any sense should leave and take their money with them before that wall goes up and they don't let us.

This country is going down. And it's a bipartisan effort to bring it down.

 

This is just one more in the list of, uh, stuff that is monumental BS.

The immigration bill created by the bipartisan committee in the Democratic Senate under Obama included e-verify fixes, requirements to use it and penalties if it is not used or followed.

It also included tens of billions of NEW dollars for souther border improvement - needed to win over a majority of the Republican House, which would have passed the bill had Boehner prevented it from comeing to a vote. (You know who Boeher is, right?)

I'm just astounded at how little the right wing knows about this issue!

What happened?

Look, I want to know where you got info that is so profoundly wrong.

It would help, because if we could identify the source of this crap we might be able to make progress faster.

It's in our mutual interest to identify what happened here.

 

Where are you going to?

 

No, that's not all that was in it, was it?

 

On the flip side, I'd take 10 Latino migrants over 1 Syria migrant.

Latinos don't believe women are soulless animals to be beaten and raped at will, don't bow down to another country multiple times a day, don't believe LGTBs should be killed and don't believe everyone who does not do the same also should be killed. Syrian immigrants do.

 

"What a tangled web we weave....", and I do not hold Trump or the other Republicans blameless. If he had been a little more tactful and somewhat less egotistical, abrasive, and bombastic, possibly none of this would have happened.

I don't know. I just don't know. My gut-feel is that Trump will leverage this DACA issue to get some kind of a partial "wall" out of it. Which, of course, is an abysmally bad idea. I've written numerous posts about the "wall", and under no circumstances could I possibly recommend such a thing. I know that border country very well. I've jeeped that country. It is the most hostile, forbidding desert-mountain country in the North American continent. The costs of building, maintaining, and STAFFING such a 1,550 mile-long wall would be more than mounting an expedition to Mars, by the time you add it all up. Parenthetically, Americans might survive an expedition to Mars, but I doubt that all the government employees would survive assignment on the "wall"....

And don't think for a moment that I have forgotten his pledge to make Mexico pay for this wall, either. Madness! Sheer madness. But, it never would have gotten to this point if both Democrats and Republicans hadn't treated illegal aliens in such a slipshod, neglectful, unprofessional way. They should have been interdicted, processed, and deported immediately -- and full funding for the required number of Border Patrol staff should have been maintained to do exactly that. But, we had adventures in the Balkans, Afghanistan, and Iraq to pay for....

Trump will cut the best deal he can, and then announce an amnesty after all! Everybody will piss and moan, but in the end, what else can he do? He'll ask for pledges and commitments from both major parties, and elements of both major parties will betray the agreement, for different reasons, just as Reagan was betrayed by everybody when he had his amnesty back in the 80's. So, I hope everybody else is happy with this slowly unraveling travesty, because I'm sure as hell not. But, I'm just an American taxpayer. Nobody does much of anything that I want.... All the best.

 

Well, there was the spending portion - where Dems got a significant extension on CHIP.

As for immigration, Dems demanded progress on DACA - not on any other immigration issue.

It's true that Schumer conceded money for the wall in negotiations in an attempt to sweeten the pot for Republicans.

 

But the Democrats are just not demanding amnesty for all current illegal alien dreamers who have temporary DACA protection but are demanding that their illegal alien parents who brought them across the border also be awarded amnesty.

So what are the Democrats actually demanding...amnesty for 2.5 million illegal aliens ?

And next month the Democrats will be demanding amnesty for all 3.6 million illegal alien dreamers along with their parents.

 

There will be more funding for the wall. Trump and the Republicans just want it. It goes WAY beyond there being any justification for it.

And, I'd point out that past immigration negotiations under Obama included money for the wall - jacked pretty high in order to win a majority in the House (which was meaningless, as Boehner blocked the vote). And, Schumer showed Dems are likely to be willing to do that again, depending on the nature of the deal, of course.

I view it as a political payoff. I'd rather pay dollars for the wall than deport kids who by now are Americans in every way but paper to some nation they most likely haven't even visited. I'd rather enhance the border in other ways. Plus, if we kill employment here, there will be way less reason to try to run the border.

I put the irresponsibility factor on the Republicans, because Dems under Obama negotiated a darn good immigration bill in bipartisan committee using standard protocol. There were features I didn't like, but no bill is going to be what each of the 300M Americans dream about. It WAS bipartisan.

And, Obama focused what resources he was given on the border. Under Obama, the number of undocumented aliens did not grow - a gigantic and unprecedented accomplishment.

Trump, on the other hand, is focusing on deporting those who are working, taking care of families paying taxes and keeping their noses clean.


I really doubt Trump will have much of anything to do with creating legislation. He has no ability to do that, as proven over and over again. I'm sure he will trash whatever he is presented and flip flop on various issues.

McConnell is going to have to grow a pair if there is going to be any legislation concerning immigration - or pretty much anything else, for that matter. Can he do that? I doubt it. He can't talk to a Democrat to save his life.

It will be interesting to see how much effort Republicans put into trying to claim credit for saving DACA kids vs. just caving to their hard liners and deporting them - which they can do in March.

 

No.

You already know this is not true, why do you keep repeating it? All Schumer offered was the 1.6 billion the White House had already sought in an annual appropriations bill. There was nothing "sweetening the pot" about it. In many ways you seem like a fairly reasonable poster (even if we generally don't agree), so why do you insist on perpetuating this falsehood???

 

Remember Representative Hank Johnson, the guy who thought Guam would tip over? Maybe somebody could get in touch with him and see if the weight of enough illegals could cause California to simply break off from the rest of the United States

 

There are parameters that have to be met to use conciliation. Apparently the bill didn't meet them.

 

A nation that is transitioning from a labor economy to a data economy doesn't need an endless supply of tens of millions of unskilled, uneducated, illegals or immigrants.

 

E-Verify would stop the workers, but not the drugs which would intensify with so many nationals out of work in the US. The wall would seriously slow that down, or we could bring home 30,000 troops and their equipment from around the world and have them patrol the border. I'm sure the cartels don't have any AH-64's.

 

Table 7. Prisoners Under State Jurisdiction Sentenced for Violent Crimes
...........................2001 and 2013..........% change

White...........208,100...........223,900........7.6%
Black...........267,800...........282,100........5.3%
Hispanic .....102,600...........162,300........58.2%

https://www.amren.com/archives/reports/the-color-of-crime-2016-revised-edition/

Looks like they been working hard at committing crime alright, do we really need that?

#schumershutdown, #releasethememo

 

The DACA “dreamers” aka “Nightmares” touched the sympathy of good hearted people and they probably will get greencards and a path to citizenship

I would not do thst but on this issue I’m outvoted

But the previous attempts to grant a blanket amnesty to 11-25 million adults who are living here illegally failed because of distrust by the public

We dont want to ge5 rolled by empty promises like we were in 1986

I think this time liberals will have to finish the wall, and implement E-Verify in a big way and send millions of illegal aliens back before we will discuss an amnesty for anyone

 

The Southern Democrats of the Confederacy said the same thing, we need slaves to pick our cotton, mow our yards and be our janitors. Things don't seem to have changed.

 

I think we will need troops to assist the Border Patrol anyway

 

They can get benefits from the Sanctuary states. They should ban all California's Federal Legislators from voting in congress until they again comply with the constitution.

 

As I said, anyone with any common sense would leave and take their money with them before that wall goes up to keep us in and to keep us from moving our wealth out of here. If all goes well, I'll be sitting on a beach some place away from the states and sipping on those fruity things with the little pink umbrellas while you all are tearing each other apart for some cheese.