Up to 3.6 million Dreamers in line for citizenship under DACA replacement

I think its the key issue now

The dems already conceded full funding for the wall

but they are desperately trying to save the chain immigration scam

 

Hopefully we will both be in the fight for many years to come

 

Yes, of course. THE #1 tactic of the Democratic Party is lying. Schumer is lying about all of it and he knows it.

It probably would be more like 10 million, counting everyone who CLAIMS they were brought here as a child - whether or not true as there are no records - plus everyone who claims to be related to that person.

Possibly half of the population of Mexico, Central American, South America and tens of millions of Africans and Asians too all will be here quick, claiming they've been here for decades and signing affidavits for each other claiming that is proof. Under the Democrat plan in real terms it could be 500,000,000 DACA "children."

 

We will be too.

 

True. Last time it turned out to be allowing "trans" men in girl's bathroom rooms and showers claiming it a Constitutional right. That one didn't work out despite the MSM, Hollywood limousine crowd, and liberal talking heads sobbing and ranting for it. In their echo chamber they had a sure fire winner.

This time is it their clever tactic of trashing Americans on behalf of illegal immigrants - and their echo chamber equally claims they'll win on a landslide with this one too because their fake polls again claim they can't lose.

 

Anyone caught illegally in the country should be locked up for 90 days. It doubles each time afterwards. Now? Worse case is they get a free meal and have to try again tomorrow.

 

Its not over yet, is it? No bill has even been put in front of the President. But I guess you think Democrats are winning by trashing Americans on behalf of illegal immigrants, correct?

 

I just remembered how Democrats so often say that we need these immigrants to pick our crops, mow our yards and be our janitors.

Maybe that should be part of the deal then. They can stay PROVIDED they stay full time employed picking crops, mowing yards and being janitors. Afterall, the Democratic Party does claim that's what they are good for - and all they are good for.

 

We're now a very few weeks from total DACA expiration under a president who has used tactics such as nabbing parents who are picking up their kids, etc. Suggesting Trump wouldn't deport the kids is ridiculous.

I'm not putting all this on Trump. It is true that he is ready to deport DACA kids, but he isn't the only problem.

This is not a "sudden" move by Democrats. Democrats have been working toward immigration reform for years. In fact, a DACA solution has been attempted for YEARS. Remember that DACA exists, because Republicans refused to address immigration under his administration. (Obviously, as Republicans filibustered every major piece of legislation under Obama, bipartisan or not.)

Also, remember that under Obama the Democratic Senate sponsored a bipartisan committee that hammered out what I believe was a very good immigration bill. I didn't agree with all of it. But, that's not a proper measure. The Senate passed the bill and the House would have passed the bill, but the Republican speaker Boehner blocked a vote on it.

That immigration bill the Democratic majority in the Senate voted for had tens of billions of new money for border enhancement - one of the clear compromises by Dems. McCain championed the bill, being a critical element in gaining House support. But, Boehner killed it anyway.



Today, DACA is the one issue Dems stood up for, and that is because there is far too little time for a rational immigration overhaul addressing the many issues. We've all been through this before. It's not a guess - it's a fact. So, Dems wanted a solution that would save DACA kids until a more comprehensive bill could be created.

Is that some sort of ridiculous request? Does it justify the McConnell charges that Dems want illegal immigration? NO!

I'd point out that Schumer gave up new money for the border in the "cheeseburger" meeting.

Before that, Dems negotiated the basis of a deal that Trump killed in the "shithouse" meeting.

Trump and Republicans are demanding the right to deport DACA kids. I don't agree with that for what I believe are very sound reasons. And, those reasons have nothing to do with screwing up some future immigration overhaul - something we do need. Dems aren't holding out for a bill that would screw up that overhaul, OBVIOUSLY. From the very start, DACA didn't do that - as proven by current events.

 

Heh yea, I'm just thinking about the distant future many generations ahead and how birthrate disparities may play out.

 

The Chamber of Commerce disagrees with you.

Trump's family disagrees with you.

I really don't know anyone who agrees with you.

 

Actually, more like time/travel distance disagrees with him. If we had the kind of public transportation that's in Europe or Asia, we could fill literally THOUSANDS of jobs. As it stands, job markets are segregated by city/State, and citizens within them. Expanding the American Economy to be accessible to everyone will be the next boom.

 

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What's up with you? I thought you were making progress with civics.

DACA is the issue here.

EVERYBODY knows immigration needs work. So, DO that!

Remember? DEMOCRATS have been trying to do that for years.

We even sponsored a bipartisan effort that got a bill through the Senate and would have passed the House if Boehner had allowed a vote on it.

We didn't need to be here.

IT IS REPUBLICANS who have refused to address immigration overhaul, preferring to do no more than a few issue by issue stop gap measures - which is NOT good enough.

 

DACA will probably go through but the baggage attached to it, likely not. That's your "policy" lesson for the day. Hope this helps.

 

That article addresses the cost of those here without documentation.

That is a very different issue than the wall, the visa program that allows people to come and stay, worker programs that allow people to come and stay, etc.

And, it includes issues like their taxes going to the federal level instead of the state level - which is not a cost - it's just money going to the wrong place.


It also purports that there is an open borders constituency in the US. That is an absolute and total political lie. Nobody in America is interested in open borders. And, least of all Democrats, as demonstrated by Obama being the first president in DECADES to bring the growth rate of undocumented aliens to ZERO.

And, even your partisan hack points to that number not growing. NOT GROWING!


Let's try to keep some focus here. Using analysis to do work unrelated to the analysis makes no sense.


For those here, we're moaning that they don't support themselves.

But, the LAW says they are not ALLOWED to support themselves!!

Why would you think that is resolved by building a WALL or reducing LEGAL immigration of those who work to support themselves???

 

I don't know of any baggage. Dems haven't attached any baggage to that.

Also, I don't believe McConnell or Republicans will assemble an immigration bill that includes DACA in a time frame where DACA kids aren't being deported.

My bet is this will come up again in 3 weeks when the spending bill comes up ... again!

 

Exactly. The dems were silly for shutting down the govt.

 

Amen. I wish there was a "love" button instead of just a "like" button. "Like" x 100.

I don't think so, unless something has changed this afternoon?

You already know this is not true, why do you keep repeating it? All Schumer offered was the 1.6 billion the White House had already sought in an annual appropriations bill.

 

Agree 100% herein lies the problem .

 

I know you guys don't approve of America and Americans first . Too bad .

 

Dream on dreamers!

 

Fine. Let California allow employers to hire anybody, and let the rest of the USA employ evirify and only hire US citizens. All the illegals will flood California, and drown that state.

 

The main prevention is to not allow illegals to get a job. The next layer is to ban sanctuary cities, and stop providing benefits (welfare, school, housing, etc) to illegals.

 

You can’t ban “sanctuary cities” and illegals don’t get welfare or housing.

 

Dems have stuck to one issue - DACA.

The reason is that is the one feature that will expire in a short time, resulting in irreversible impact.

We're not going to negotiate an immigration reform act in the next 3 weeks.