Billy Graham taught hatred (gays, non-believers), so I assume he's in "hell"?

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Is Billy Graham in "heaven" or in "hell"?

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  2. Hell

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  3. "Heaven/hell" are no more real than Narnia or Middle Earth, so he's 6' under right now.

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  1. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What a stupid message. Really stupid. You really do just furiously argue with strawmen you create in your own head.
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, by you did say that would be a superior religion, didn't you?
     
  3. FreedomSeeker

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    That's because a "soul" does not exist. They needed to INVENT some mechanism to torture you if you don't follow their religion, and they had a hard time torturing people on earth, so they just invented the "soul", so they could threaten to torture THAT (when you die.) A sick, disgusting ploy to get people to pay money to the church.

    You can't show us the soul leaving the body, now can you.
     
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    How old IS the earth, Jake? Please tell us.
     
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    Specifically what did I say?
     
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    You and I BOTH are NON-believers in gods - I just go one more god that you do - you don't believe in Zeus, or Apollo, or Chuck Norris, or Krishna, etc., etc.
     
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    Modern Secular Humanism (an overall belief system) is far better for the world, and more truthful, than any religion I've ever heard of, period.
     
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    Soul of Christ, make me holy. Body of Christ, save me. Blood of Christ, fill me with love. Water from Christ’s side, wash me. Passion of Christ, strengthen me. Good Jesus, hear me. Within your wounds, hide me. Never let me be parted from you. From the evil enemy, protect me. At the hour of my death, call me, and tell me to come to you that with your saints I may praise you through all eternity. Amen.
     
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    I CONDEMN Hitler, Manson, Moses, and God/Jesus (all mass-murderers)....can you rise to my high level of ethics and do the same, Jake?
     
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    You're not talking about "Satan", are you? You don't believe that utter nonsense, right?
     
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    No, I'm confident nearly every psychiatrist would recognize the huge internal conflict you have with yourself in extreme self denial and would predict it inevitable that you will be at a Pentecostal wailing wall begging God's forgiveness in the long run. No one who is not intensely religious internally would 1/1,000,000 what you do about a religion they don't believe.

    Contrast us. I, a non-Christian, have no problem saying I like most Christians I know, there is a lot the Bible says Jesus said that's pretty cool, while organized Christianity did a lot of terrible things it did replace worse religions and ultimately brought a lot of good things too - and I don't care about Christianity of the past, only now and then not much.

    You rant and rage, attack and throw up every strawman you can dream up in your head is some bizarre - and I think very danger - internal struggle wrapped up in hate and bigotry over matters that don't affect you in the slightest whatsoever.

    In short, I'm a relatively normal person on these topics while you're __________________________.
     
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    Instead of begging to an invisible man in the sky (studies have shown that prayer does not work), why not do something concrete, instead?
     
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    All those PEOPLE are dead. :roll:

    Again, there is no "God/Jesus" in the Bible. That just something you made up in your head.

    But ok, no, I see no reason to condemn Jesus. Historically in that region he was a tremendous force for good. It was secularists who corrupted it down the road for reasons of secular and personal power. I can not even imagine how safe and peacefully the world would be if people actually did as Jesus said people should. Mind boggling to think of.
     
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    No, you're not - you DEFEND God/Jesus not letting ethical gays into heaven in 1 Cor. 6:9-10.
     
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    Can't make a moral judgement, I see. I blame Jesus - the #1 moral guide in our Judaeo/Christian nation.
     
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    "Studies show that prayer does not work." What an absurd claim.
     
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    Nice dodge. Your skills at dodging are quite good. I hear there's a pro league that you can join now.

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    No, you apparently can't read either. I posted the exact opposite about gays and heaven just a few messages above, and again, there is no "God/Jesus" in the Bible.
     
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    Especially intercessory prayer. Showing that Jesus is not actually real - he may have lived at one time, sure, but he's not "alive" today at all - so that means that 2.2 billion Xians, and 1.6 billion Muslims, would be delusional.
     
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    So then you recommend, like I do, that Christians dump 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, right? Right?
     
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    I understand. You still worship the Gods of the Roman Empire or some other ancient religion you claim is superior.
     
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    Actually, you are claiming that 99% of all humans who ever lived are "delusional." But, "if you were god..." LOL!
     
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    Many many verses show that Jesus IS GOD! (Or do you recommend that those verses be removed, because they are wrong?) So if Jesus IS god, then that would mean that the many horrific OT atrocities that god committed would have been committed by this psycho (making him far far worse than Saddam, Hitler, and KJU put together):

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    Yeah, sure. But, then, that isn't Jesus reportedly speaking, is it? Not even one of the disciples.
     
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    Since I'm guessing that, yes, what, 90% of all humans who have ever lived have been religious, then yes, I'd agree, 90% of humanity has been delusional.
    Muslims believe that some pedophile "split the moon"....if he's a pedo then that's not ALL he split.
     

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