Unions praise Trump on steel tariffs

They not only don't remember, they ignore.
I've pointed that out already.
But they simply don't care.

 

highly unlikely; republicans have always been against everything unions stand for in the workplace. Your talking one possibly two unions that may benefit and i use that word cautiously. the other unions have no use for republicans and will stick with democrats regardless of how little they do for organized labor.

 

Trade union members are wising up. the few that remain, that is. they're finally waking up to the fact that killing the goose that laid America's golden egg kills them, too.

 

I could repeat your personal insult back at you, but specifying steel and aluminum, rather than all imports from a country, is "targeted." But it doesn't matter either way.

 

I've often explained the difference between a trade union, a sweetheart deal union and government union. Trade unions have gone for Republicans. Trade unions are the legitimate, real unions.

 

That’s completely untrue. It’s a favorite meme of left however similar to the fabricated claim that R’s do not care about minorities. There is nothing wrong with labor unions as long as they provide a benefit such as apprentice programs do.

 

Except what he posted is false. Bush did NOT withdraw it because it hurt American jobs and many Democrats supported it. Rather, the world court ruled against it and then other countries threatened to interfere in our election targeting US industries in key states. With this, Bush (wrongly) withdrew the tariff as a political decision resulting in a massive hit to the steel industry.

 

Yes. Japanese labor unions clearly understand this truth.

 

It was a hit to the US economy.

 

So many Democrats project the sheeple nature of so many Democrats onto people who vote Republican - and the 2016 primaries demonstrated the difference. Despite NOT liking her, Democrats nominated Hilary Clinton anyway because they were told to because she is female. Republicans were told to nominate Jeb Bush and then if not him another and another and another of the GOP. Jeb Bush despite tens of millions spent never broke 6%.

THAT is the difference between Republican votes and Democrat voters. As for Republicans and Democrats in Congress? Most do what they are hired by the wealthy and influential tell them to do - while bickering for show to make it look like they are completely on opposite sides.

I was a trade union steward for a while and it annoyed the union bosses - who members tended to despise more than like - how many members were openly Republican. They'd set up some candidate's night for their Democratic candidates for union members to come, listen to, and volunteer to work for, and 7 members would show up.

 

The super rich globalists claimed it was thru their propaganda network. They lie, that's their job.

 

I disagree; show me where the AFL-CIO or any of their trade unions go for republicans. Maybe some public service unions like the police, but thats about it.

 

Have to disagree with you on that. republicans favor a national right-to-work law, which goes against what organized labor's goals are. I have no idea what your are talking about regarding minorities.

 

that's funny; i was a union steward for years and I never had any of the issues you claim to have had as a steward. If I asked for volunteers there were never a shortage of hands going up to help out.

 

Teamsters supported Ohio's Rob Portman. They supported Nixon. I could give other examples.

However, YOU equate "Union" to union bosses. I equate "Union" to the members of the union.

Union voters swung behind Trump

Virtually all experts by exit polls agree that Trump carried trade union members by enough of a margin increase from the past as to be the reason he carried the all critical Rust Belt states. Union bosses now fly around in their private jets and few union members give a damn what they think or who they endorse. Overall, I don't think many voters care about endorsements in general. Do you? Do endorsements decide how you vote? The only benefit of union boss endorsements in then the union gives some of the members dues money to those politicians. They have no power to give them union members' votes.

Why These Union Members and Lifelong Democrats Are Voting Trump
Their national unions have endorsed Hillary Clinton, but some members say they’ll pull the lever for Trump, who’s promising to bring back American manufacturing and get tough on China.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-these-union-members-and-lifelong-democrats-are-voting-trump

I could list many Republicans that the AFL-CIO had endorsed at state levels.

 

What union was that?

Ever write and win grievances? I did, often, even won arbitrations. I also was very involved in the campaign to get rid of the local president, a successful campaign. If you think government politics is dirty, try a union campaign. As corrupt as it gets - only they got caught and it was a crime. That was quite some years ago and I was very Democrat at that time.

 

It’s basic economics. The law of comparative advantage.

 

The right to work law is confirmation of the responsibility of a labor union to provide value to its members. Workers should not be forced to pay dues for insufficient benefits.

 

My best grievance win in mediation was a grievance the union would not support. But by law, I could still take it to mediation. A very interesting case.

A black lugger, the toughest guy in the packinghouse, lost it to a frumpy little white supervisor who would just hurl insults at him on and on. I warned the supervisor he was entering dangerous territory. The employee, named Washington, finally cracked. Washington was the most physically powerful man I've ever seen. Huge too. Probably could have crushed a basketball with one hand.

He grabbed the supervisor by the back of his frock - dragging him down the dock then thru the packinghouse and back to the semi-trailer size dumpster at the back dock - the little freak supervisor screaming "Let me go, that's a direct work order!" Increasing number of others tagging along. Like a lion dragging a little gazelle. Maybe 300 hundred yards of being dragged backward on his ass - the little supervisor screaming about "direct work order!" all the way. Yes, normally those are a supervisor's magic words. But not that day.

At the dumpster, he threw the supervisor in and hit the big green start button. The slow powerful ram was pushing in - the supervisor screaming. We all just watched. As busted pallets started to crack, he hit the red button stopping it - then ripped out the control wires with one pull - and walked off - the supervisor trapped inside. Soon another supervisor appeared, promptly firing him. The mechanics, Teamsters (a different union than the meatcutters) took their sweet time getting the supervisor out, who was not harmed. Violence, of course, was always a certain discharge for cause, but I disagreed and took it to mediation over the union's protest.

I explained how racially divided the packinghouse was, but that the luggers were white, black and Latino - and luggers are monsters whose sole pride is their physical power. In fact, it took a strong back and weak mind to be able to do and stand the job. But they also were the unspoken cops of the packinghouse for that power. Whatever they said, goes, and it kept violence and conflict down in a place known for violence and conflict - a place full every weapons - cutting weapons of all kinds. That the supervisor had been warned, this was the inevitable outcome. Break the pride of the luggers and all hell will break loose.

The mediator's ruling began in a way I had to laugh when I read it. So well written. He began "Sometimes in the interactions between men differences of opinion can only be settled on the back dock..." LOL!

He got his job back, but no back pay. The company couldn't fire the supervisor until the mediation, but was fired the minute it was over regardless of what the outcome was going to be.

No one cared what the union bosses thought about anything other than few union diehards, and they were few. However, this was the last days for the Amalgamated Meatcutters and Butcherworkman of North American. It was financially broke, literally, and sold out to the sweetheart deal union, the UFCW.

 

That's just nothing, just a slogan.

 

The flaw in some right to work laws is the union is still required to represent non-members and non-members are still protected under the contract, though pay no dues. In my view, no dues should mean no union protection and no union contract protection. Regardless of state law, I refused to act on behalf of the few non-members. But I didn't harass them to join either. Rarely, one would come and demand I file a grievance saying I had to. "I won't do jacks*t for you" my response.

 

Trade unions are inherently protectionistic....strictly controlling the supply of labor is literally why they can sell it at inflated rates. It has always been curious to me then, why they've ever donated a penny to the cabal of anti-protectionist/open borders/amnesty advocating globalists who began infiltrating the Democrat party over a quarter century ago.

 

Well, in a funny twist, Republicans for years have been stating that getting rid of unions was the way to go, and let a true free market determine the wages of a steel worker. Instead, they are now going with a pick winners and losers strategy (hey where have i heard that prase before?) determining that the steel industry should be protected from foreign competition, but not a single other industry even though they are faced with exactly the same challenges.
Now you guys are big union backers?

 

Comparative advantage is why oranges are grown in Florida and not Maine. It's a basic economic principle.

 

The flaw in forcing someone to pay dues which are not justified by benefits to them is obvious. Why is it fair for a worker to be denied the "right to work" because they refuse to join a union and pay dues which are used to support political candidates that they do not support. The fact that companies which expand and foreign companies which invest in manufacturing plants in the US do so predominantly in right to work states.