Unions praise Trump on steel tariffs

This is one of those decisions that is getting more criticism from conservatives and economists than it is democrats

 

Its the right that is bashing him for this.

 

And that is a big factor here that gets lost in the discussion. Thank you for pointing it out.

 

It's almost like nobody takes you seriously anymore because of your foaming at the mouth angry hate filled tirades against Republicans and Trump.

 

It's being criticized by the status quo deep state and the democrats are fumbling around in the dark trying to figure out the best political move to make.How do they attack trump on this without alienating unions? They play politics with everything and this puts them in a tough spot.

 

We are in a new era here and it's make or break time for American industry. Our steel industry is more important than jobs alone and we needs healthy steel industry to have a secure America.

 

The way to accomplish that is not via tariffs.

 

So in your opinion it's safe for Democrats to throw them under the bus in their quest to destroy Trump.

 

How then?

 

Right, Bush caved under world pressure. Trump is thumbing his nose at the world and putting America first.

 

Harley already has tariffs imposed on it. When do we start fighting back? Do we knuckle under forever because other countries threaten to put even more tarrifs on us if we don't just roll over for them?

 

When you start fighting back in a war there's no guarantee you will win but surrender is not an option and that's what we have been doing for decades now as other countries impose tariffs on our goods and we hemorrhage jobs like a cut artery spews blood. We can't keep doing what we've been doing or we will continue in this death spiral.

 

So democrats are on board and have Trump's back?

 

The real issue is that free trade has not generated sustained income gains for much of the public. I already posted the data for that. Tariffs may or may not work, but free trade is not either, so the public will try something else. Deregulated businesses have repeatedly shown themselves incapable of making competent decisions (they essentially destroyed the economy in 2008 and government had to bail them out).

Conservative faith in business elites is so total they are incapable of accepting the clear evidence, which you can find in the business press, of horrific decision making by business. They just block it out.

 

Amazing! Trump turned the Left into "Free-Traders!"

President George W. Bush imposed tariffs of up to 30% on steel in 2002. They remained in effect for more than a year. Ronald Reagan restricted imports of steel in 1984, and later imposed a 100% tariff on some Japanese electronic products. Somehow the republic survived!

Imported clothing is subject to tariffs averaging 10% to 15%. We have a domestic sugar beet industry only because of quotas on cane sugar from the Caribbean. And weird, but the press hasn't been agitating to get rid of the tariffs we already have, even though the same economic arguments they now make–newly-discovered in some cases–would apply equally. The press never rushed in to condemn Bernie Sanders’ protectionist views during the 2016 campaign.

This is all about President Trump, of course. If Trump came out for a big increase in the minimum wage, the Washington Post would suddenly realize that it would increase unemployment among minority youths.

Trump's rattling sabers over tariffs in order to set the stage for improved trade deals or other concessions–in order to pressure China to start respecting our intellectual property, a huge issue on which the Obama administration was shamefully supine.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/03/on-tariffs-hold-the-hysteria.php

 

Reduce the government imposed costs on production, right to work legislation, tax credits for increasing productivity, trade negotiations with individual countries, tax expenditures for critical industries, ......

 

That’s the reality.

 

I'm for all of that but we still can't compete with countries that put tariffs on us and or subsidize their industry. Time to fight fire with fire.

 

I agree and it will be interesting to watch Democrats throw this union under the bus. Other unions will take notice and wonder when it's their turn.

 

Tariffs are coming, like it or not. If these bought and paid for politicians had not sold out to big money interests it would be different. Clinton, Bush, obama, etc...were used car salesmen for the oligarchs. Time for change!

 

Well if it is the status quo, there's a pretty good reason for that. No nation in the entire first world has prospered using protectionist economists. Free market economics has consistently produced better results.

 

I'm not a Republican. And I am not against unions. I am against unions who are self-defeating, and I am against management that agrees to self-defeating contracts. My belief is that a union must protect its members by first making sure that the cost of labor doesn't make the company uncompetitive. Because if the company can't compete, it can't survive. Unions and management must understand that they are both on the side of having a competitive, healthy company.

If the U.S. imports less steel because it is producing more steel, who are the losers?

 

You call the last couple of decades where America has been losing industry and jobs and an era when our trade is so lopsided "better results"? You are a frog in warm water that's beginning to boil. Some of us see it and our jumping out.

 

Holy S$%t, Trump turned you into a person whom would have supported Obama!

Now, that is rich.

 

If you only pay attention to the top 1 percent free trade has been awesome.